Our Lady Peace, Sublime, The Used, ERRA, Mammoth, and New Developments
Jason Ziolo
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to season two, episode eight of Rock Fan Radio. In the room, we got a pretty full house. It's been a while since we've had this many people. We got Steve, we got Dave, we've got Chris, we've got Parker, we've got myself. Reed is supposed to show up, but he's not here now, so he doesn't get any creds. And most importantly, we have Travis in the house. Travis is a newcomer here, another indie guy. It's what happens when you have a rock group of friends and another rock group of friends.
Dave's the glue, and we are crossing the chasm, and we're mixing these groups, and so we've got Travis here. So I also told that you're my doppelganger. Probably when I didn't have the beard, we're probably pretty similar. You're probably the better looking one, because we left the last episode talking about who is going to be better looking. I think you win. Anyways.
Travis
Yeah, I've
heard your name a few times. He's mentioned that. And I was just like, I gotta meet this guy. So we're both in tech too.
Jason Ziolo
I even talked to my wife about
it and I was like, you know the doppelganger Dave always talks about? She's like, yeah, I know, I know who you're talking about. He's on the podcast tonight. So that's pretty.
Travis
Nice.
Dave Cravotta
I feel like
I've kind of obsessively talked about you two, but there's a lot in the music world you guys overlap a ton. So that'll be fun to when we talk about the stuff you're totally gonna like bounce back and forth off one another. I'm excited for this to know both of you guys pretty well.
Steve
Sorry.
Jason Ziolo
Introduce yourself Travis, or Dave, you introduce him. Someone tell us what this is all about.
Dave Cravotta
Let me,
All right, so I'll give you a little bit of backstory. So Travis and I actually met because I was playing in a band called Five Apples years ago. We were like a, called it Upbeat Alternative Popular Rock kind of stuff, covering Pearl Jam and Fuel and stuff like that. And then I said I was gonna step down from the band. I'd been doing it for a while. I was ready for something else. So the guys that remained, they were interviewing other guitarists and one of our good friends, our mutual friends, Terry, that went to school, high school with Travis.
greased out and Travis in correct me if I'm wrong but he auditioned for the band they said yep you're in and then we decided we're gonna do kind of a little like collab like preview of Travis coming aboard during a show I was still with the band but on my way out so as a way for the band to say hey we got this new guys coming in playing lead guitar for us his name's Travis check him out so we meet in a parking lot at like I don't know seven o'clock at night in the Indy area we're gonna go play out in Terre Haute is about an hour west of us and I think the other guys in the band were like
Steve
Got you.
Ugh.
Dave Cravotta
how's this gonna go like dates on his way out as you guys going to come in is new guy gonna be a dick in his day to be a dick and they're gonna like fight out all by the way we're gonna make these guys sit next to each other in the back row three across and just to like shared but spaces gonna be so. Uncomfortable right Travis and I mean hey what's up man how you doing yeah what kind of music you listen to all my favorite band is tool.
Jason Ziolo
don't think it is awkward in faucet.
The tool shirts are heavily wrapped tonight. look at this.
Dave Cravotta
BOOM! And it
was like, ⁓ YOU TOO? I mean, and it was, I dunno, This is a weird story, but bear with me. So... Nope, I'm not gonna go that way. Anyhow, yes, Travis and I both being in-
Jason Ziolo
Come on, no bullshit.
I call bullshit. Let's hear the story.
Dave Cravotta
Alright, alright, so I heard, I work in a hospital, and I heard an OBGYN say if you put two pieces of vagina in a room, they're gonna find each other. Meaning when you like do the post-surgery, like it grows back together very well. Travis and I were kind of like tool fans, like boom, another tool fan, right here buddy. So.
Steve
Mmm, yeah.
It's like
the two lips, right?
Dave Cravotta
And we hit it off immediately.
Jason Ziolo
So you're
Dave Cravotta
We had the most overlap of music in that band and one was replacing the other. So we immediately hit it off. Been really good friends ever since. I've been to more shows with Travis than anybody else in my existence. Total rock from the Womb Brothers. And he's hosted his own podcast as well. So dude, I'm so totally pumped for you to be here and be a part of this. It's gonna be as much fun for me as anybody else. Welcome.
fellow vagina.
Jason Ziolo
Move vaginas in the same room.
Parker
I'm
out.
Steve
Nice segue,
Chris
Yeah,
love it. Two pussies.
Steve
Dave.
Dave Cravotta
I did not know we were gonna go there, but that's what Three Floyd's Whiskey will do for you.
Steve
Yeah, the vagina segue.
Travis
I was like, yeah,
but yeah, go there. ⁓
Dave Cravotta
us next episode. I'm sure they'll be thrilled
Jason Ziolo
Travis, can you give us a proper
Dave Cravotta
with that.
Jason Ziolo
intro, that nonsense that Dave just gave us?
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Travis
So yeah, that was like.
Dave Cravotta
It's the kind of expertise
you're going to run into when you turn into Rock Band Radio.
Steve
Yeah, we're pros.
Travis
Yeah, so Dave, think that was what, like, five? So yeah, I mean, I think I've known you for like 20 plus years at this point. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, that's right. Yeah, there was earlier than
that. I was around here. Yeah, it was around that time I was married so it was 2003 2004 It was you're right. It was a long time ago. We've been going to shows you've been pulled together We've been to all kinds of things together Deaf tones event sevenfold God the list goes on and on. Yep, definitely rock
Travis
Yeah.
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
You probably have more credibility than any of us here, Travis. You used to run, you used to be a DJ at a rock station. You were at a rock podcast, I believe. Give us some background.
Travis
So the podcast I had was ⁓ not as music. It was actually more pop culture focused specifically like TV and movies. It was called previews with Travis G. I used to back in the early kind of Facebook days, I used to post like pretty long winded reviews of movies that I would see and whatnot. And everyone's like, dude, you got to like turn this into like a podcast or something. So I tried it for a little while. It was a lot of work. I decided it wasn't really for me. And I was also a very early adopter of
Jason Ziolo
Okay.
Travis
like the Scarlett solo DAWs that they released and they had pro tools and I was not very good with it. So I was a sound forage guy back in the day and I, just really couldn't, couldn't take the time to kind of learn it. So I didn't do that very long, but so yeah, I actually used to, I was a DJ for my college radio station. So they're on FM now, but back in the day it was WSWI. It was an AM820, which is really weird looking back now because we were a
a modern rock format playing ⁓ on AM radio. So yeah, it was a donated station from another station in town. was kind of, had an agreement basically like, we'll donate this the college in exchange. You know, it's going to be a non-commercial. And so we had kind of some regulations, but while I was there, we actually started broadcasting on the internet. We actually had a computer like in the corner of the studio that was connected to a T1 service coming into the building.
Jason Ziolo
Sam Radio. That's cool.
Travis
a T one for those who may not know is basically a giant internet circuit. And we would basically, after we would go dark, as they would say, when we would like turn down the signal, we could actually broadcast at night. We started doing that because the men's basketball games were always in the evening. And, you know, for those who may not be aware, like that's how Mark Cuban got started with broadcast.com back in the day. He was living in Arizona, I think at the time, and he wanted to listen to the IU games. And so he kind of really started the whole internet radio craze.
Steve
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Okay.
Travis
⁓ and so, yeah, while I was there, I actually sold the very first commercial spot that we ever aired on the internet because we did not have to follow the non-commercial status while we were broadcasting. We didn't have the FCC regulations. so because of that, we were able to bring money in. We built a whole new studio. got new microphones, everything. We went digital. It was great. It was a really great experience. I ended up being music director. So was in charge of like picking all the stuff that would actually go on air.
I was the first guy to put schism ⁓ on the air while I was there. That was the coolest thing ever. I remember hearing it for the first time. I was going to lose my mind. And then I became program director. So I actually ran the whole thing. And that was a lot of fun. It was the coolest job I ever had. I think I shared Jason with you a picture. I was actually backstage at X-Fest during that gig. I got to interview a couple of bands, hung out on a tour bus with Weedus, which was the first tour bus that I'd ever been on. It was very cool.
Steve
knives.
Jason Ziolo
Cool.
Steve
Thanks.
Travis
I've been a musician for 30 years ish. So I've been in a ton of bands. I'm in a band now. So.
Jason Ziolo
better you or Dave? Who's better at guitar?
Travis
You know, I actually haven't heard Dave in a while, so I don't know.
Jason Ziolo
No, no, no, no, no, no. In your
prime, back when you were in the band, when you replaced his ass, were they like, this is an upgrade? I would imagine they were.
Travis
I know, man. think I probably when I first met, I think we were pretty close to being on the same, he was more of, think a technical guitar player than I was at the time. I was definitely more focused on kind of just learning as many songs I possibly could because we did original stuff, but we were mostly a cover band. You know, he was more into the Petrucci, Vi, Learn Scales and Modes kind of stuff at that time. I really wasn't into that. didn't have the patience for it.
I'm more of a slash Gilmore kind of guy. I want to hear the feel and just pick the least amount of notes that you can do.
Jason Ziolo
just be sloppy and hope you get
the right notes once in a while. That was my style.
Reed
Thank
Dave Cravotta
Travis did a really good job of keeping solos original to the artist. one of the songs that we played in that show where we kind of went back and forth was a live from Pearl Jam. So you leap into that solo and I think I started it off and I didn't really do much of it except I copied the end. But the beginning and middle part of that solo I just freestyled, just did whatever I wanted.
Travis
Yeah, so.
Dave Cravotta
And so I backed off after a few bars and Travis stepped up and he did note for note the exact ⁓ beginning of that solo. I was like, that was really good. So I feel like if you wanted to get somebody who was needed that note for note kind of thing, Travis was much better at that than I. I didn't have the patience for that. So I knew like the scales and stuff like I would rather just do wank away on my own shit. And then Travis would be like, this is how it's actually done. We both had our strengths.
Steve
Wank
Jason Ziolo
Hey Reed showed up. What's up Reed?
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, Reed!
Reed
Guys,
I missed all that. Can you repeat everything you just said? I'll just catch it on the pod, don't worry.
Steve
NAAAA-
Jason Ziolo
Reed, there's a lot of...
Chris
It was only a 20
minute intro. Come on, Reed.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah. There's a lot of tool fins in this room, Reed, and it's making me uncomfortable. know you can really...
Dave Cravotta
Yes.
Steve
Yeah, I didn't fucking...
Reed
Yeah, what? You guys are all
tools.
Steve
We did not coordinate this, by the way.
Dave Cravotta
No, it did not. No.
Jason Ziolo
There's something about
tool fans that make you guys are a little bit different. And we'll just leave it at that.
Dave Cravotta
That is very true.
Leading the league in pretension. Here we are.
Jason Ziolo
All right.
All right, well, Travis, thank you for the long intro. It's awesome to have you here. Today on Rock Fan Radio, we don't have a set schedule, but we got a bunch of little stuff we want to talk about. Music news is popping right now. There's a lot going on. Did I just say it's popping? It's popping right now. ⁓ We're going talk a little bit about The Used and how they played the Sydney Opera House, the new Ice Nine Kills, or should I say Gravediggler? We're going to talk about that a little bit.
Steve
Yeah, you did. You did say that.
Parker
You
did say that.
Jason Ziolo
Travis went to Mammoth and Our Lady Peace recently, so let's talk about that. Parker, you went to Aero, so you got a little slideshow you're going to show for us. Tell us a little about your experience. And then, Chris, you're going to round it out and talk about this new 9-inch noise project, which is a super group, you might call it. Nine-inch nails and the noise boys, is that what they're called? I know nothing about these guys. You're going to educate us. This is all about.
Steve
⁓
Voice noise? I thought it was voice-
Chris
Boys noise. Yep.
Dave Cravotta
Always annoying.
Jason Ziolo
So really
looking forward to it. Let's start out a little easier. Anyone hear the new Sublime song?
Steve
I did!
Parker
No.
Steve
I did!
Jason Ziolo
What did you think of this?
Steve
I actually
think it's fucking amazing because it reminds me a lot of old school sublime with Bradley Noll and honestly Jacob is it's uncanny how much he sounds like Bradley and that's what makes me very excited about the new L
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, so this is the son of the Deadly Singer,
right?
This is the son of the Deadly Singer and the Deadly Singer died very shortly before they started to blow up. So he put in all the work and got none of the glory from it.
Steve
Yeah, exactly.
Dave Cravotta
Hmm
Steve
don't know how he passed, but...
Jason Ziolo
I've got a couple guesses. It's the rock star way.
Steve
Yeah, I think it was
the rock star way. and I don't even know. I think his son may have just been born at that time. Like when he first started to blow up.
Dave Cravotta
Yep.
Travis
.
Jason Ziolo
There's a picture, isn't there
a picture of him holding it one of the album covers? There's a picture of him holding his son as a baby in one of the albums.
Travis
Yeah.
Steve
Yeah. ⁓
so, but it's come full circle, really. And honestly, I'm really excited for this new album to come out. Sublime has always been a staple around, you know, my radio listening, my music listening. And I'm really excited to hear this new album, especially after the first two songs that I've heard. I mean, it sounds a lot like Sublime. I mean, fuck.
My daughter just went out and saw them in San Diego.
Yeah, yeah. So we have relatives that live in Alaska. they had bought a, for my niece's birthday, they had gotten tickets to go see a festival out there. It had 311, Sublime, the Dirty Heads. And so.
Jason Ziolo
Did she really? That's cool.
Reed
with Rome?
Dave Cravotta
Wow, what a great place to be in.
Jason Ziolo
white reggae is like getting pretty popular. I've got a friend who's super into reggae.
Steve
Yeah, so Lou's
becoming a good fan of it. And so we flew her out there to San Diego to meet up with the fam and go see Sublime. And I'm actually super jealous that I didn't get to go to it.
Jason Ziolo
Did you ever see, did anyone ever see Sublime with Rome?
Steve
No.
Travis
I have.
Jason Ziolo
I saw them at a festival and they played up here in McHenry last year. And it was OK, I guess. It felt like a cover band.
Reed
Yeah.
Steve
Yeah,
but like with with Jacob it it doesn't sound like a cover band. You know what I mean? It's not like, you know, and I want to relate this to like the new Linkin Park girl lead singer. You know, it doesn't feel like that. It feels like OG sublime and it makes my heart.
Dave Cravotta
Hmm.
Jason Ziolo
I'm only
Dave Cravotta
You
Jason Ziolo
Yeah,
I saw. So remember when they played McHenry, Steve, I think it was was it last year or two years ago? It was the last summer. One of the very last Sublime with Rome shows. So they had actually fired Rome at that point and signed up with Jacob, but they were contractually obligated to fill like two more shows with Rome.
Steve
No, think it was last summer. I think it was last summer, yeah.
Jason Ziolo
And one of them was the McHenry show I was at. It felt sad. I feel like the whole crowd was sad for him. Like he got pushed out of the way. There's all this drama with the family because they never owned a sublime name, so they could never own sublime. was to the family. And so now they can be sublime again because it's back in the family. But anyways, Rome was getting fired. And you could just see it in his eyes that he really didn't want to be there. ⁓ And it felt like it. It sad. I felt bad for the guy.
Dave Cravotta
Hmm.
Steve
Yeah, it sucks.
That sucks.
Jason Ziolo
But they opened for Dirty Heads, and Dirty Heads was awesome.
Reed
This sounds like the first time I s-
Steve
Dirty Heads is awesome.
I mean, if you guys, if anyone likes Sublime, like seriously check out Dirty Heads. Dirty Heads are close second for me for like that type of music. I mean, it's summertime drinking music. I love it. And that's what it is for me. So, ⁓ for sure. yeah. June, it's in June.
Jason Ziolo
Mm-hmm.
There will be listening to the new Sublime
Reed
What's that come out, by the way?
Steve
I can't, don't quote me on the date, but I don't recall the date.
Jason Ziolo
Today's April 9th, by the way, and it's a Thursday night. We're back to our third day of tennis. Cool.
Dave Cravotta
June 12th.
Steve
June 12th. I'm excited for
that one.
Dave Cravotta
well good for them I think that's awesome I feel like they've been that's dealing with that hardship when you lose a such a monumental part of your bands especially the lead singer and then just seem to not struggle to get along but it just obviously kinda like you said Steve was never the same for them the Sun to come up and do stuff like that is wild so
Jason Ziolo
Sweet.
Steve
I mean, it, I don't know if you guys
had a chance to listen to that song I sent you the other day, but I mean, it fucking sounds just like, I was like, Holy shit. this when I first saw it? Cause it just came up in my feed and I was like, fuck, are they re releasing like some prerecorded shit again? Like that's what I was worried about. And then I'm like, no, I haven't heard this.
Dave Cravotta
Not yet, but I will.
Steve
singing and I dug into it and I'm like this is this is Jacob singing this is fucking crazy dude it sounds just like Bradley
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, I need to check this out.
Jason Ziolo
it don't sound like him but i'll say the song was a b maybe even a c for me just the actual song it's
Steve
I don't give a fuck, dude. It was sublime. Like, you
know what I mean? Like, it was brand new sublime!
Reed
you
Jason Ziolo
But
Sublime had the hooks. They had the hooks, they had the catchy choruses. You could hum it in your head afterwards. There was no melody that I remember from that song. The first time I heard Santeria by Sublime, it clicked, right? And it's missing that.
Steve
Well, I mean, yeah. You can't...
Dave Cravotta
the- the- the-
the- the- the- the-
Steve
Yeah, but did you ever get into Sublime and listen to the whole album, Jason? That's what...
Jason Ziolo
I have, and actually with you around, we've done it a few times. A lot of people are really into, there's 40 Ounces of Freedom and what's the other one? Bad something? Bad Fish maybe it's called? Yeah, they're cool albums.
Steve
Well, yeah, because I fucking love someone. Yeah.
Travis
Bad fish.
Steve
Yeah, well,
yeah, it just reminded me a lot of like stuff that wouldn't get a lot of radio play with Sublime. And that's what I really love. You know, a lot of stuff that did get a lot of radio play with Sublime. Yeah, it's great. But their better stuff is like.
fucking like my favorite song, what happened? Like it's talking about fucking being hung over and just figuring out what the fuck you did the night before being wasted. You know what I mean? So like that ain't going to get radio play, but it's my favorite song by Sublime hands down. it reminded me of that. Huh?
Jason Ziolo
Well, your first single ever was about date rape,
Their first single ever was about date rape. it's pretty. It took me a long time to realize that was a Sublime song, actually, because I remember that way before Sublime got popular. And it was just kind of a comical song. That's all I got.
Steve
Hmm.
Yeah, so anyway, I'm
really excited about the fucking album. Huh? What was that, Travis?
Travis
Yeah, that song didn't age well when it was released.
Reed
Ha ha ha ha!
Travis
I was going to say that song did not age well when it was released. It definitely doesn't age well in 2026. But no, man, if you close your eyes, it's Brad. It is totally, he is completely channeling his dad. I checked it out. I thought it was great. I'm pretty excited that they're coming out with new stuff. You know, I feel like my stepkids, my oldest especially really likes Sublime. And I think it's going to be great. You know, they're going to get a chance to kind of reintroduce that, that kind of style to.
Steve
No.
Jason Ziolo
That one that did a lot.
Dave Cravotta
You
Travis
maybe some new people that really maybe aren't familiar with them.
Steve
Right, right.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah. Steve, your brother-in-law has a sublime tattoo on his forearm, doesn't he? Yeah.
Reed
Will that, will that?
Steve
Yeah, he does. Yeah. Yeah, for sure.
Reed
Will that lead to the fourth wave of ska music coming back then?
Steve
maybe.
Dave Cravotta
⁓ one can hope.
Steve
I've always liked the horns, man.
That's so much.
Dave Cravotta
They add so much!
Jason Ziolo
This is a perfect, I can segue with this perfectly. We're talking about ska bands. Name a popular band that started out as a ska band and have now morphed into a hard rock metal core metal band. In 2000, they were a ska band. and now there's someone different. And I just talked about, I was gonna talk about these guys.
Dave Cravotta
Yes, please, do it.
Steve
Do it.
Reed
I know this.
Dave Cravotta
Give me another hint.
Reed
It was Scott
Punk.
Jason Ziolo
They did the cover. When we saw them open for Metallica, they brought out, oh crap, what's the name? It's Ice Nine Kills. we saw them open for Metallica, they brought out members of one of those ska bands. Which one was it? And they had a horn player with them. Real big fish, yes. So Ice Nine Kills brought out, and it was actually really freaking cool. Ice Nine Kills recently came out, have you guys seen this?
Parker
⁓ Iceman kills. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
⁓
late.
Parker
A bit real big fish right or something
Dave Cravotta
yeah, they're cool Dan.
Steve
Yeah, it was awesome.
Jason Ziolo
and talked about their origin even more beyond sky. See, it's perfect segue. They are awesome. And Chris, we saw them together at Sick New World a couple of years ago too. they're, it's a band, they're very much have a motif. They call them, they named a new core for them, something like, theatrical core. Because they come out and they act out, they act out old horror scenes, like the little shower scene.
Parker
I've not, but I did just see them. They're awesome.
Chris
Yep.
Jason Ziolo
from Psycho, have zombies roaming the stage. They do kind of all this kind of stuff. It's gimmicky, but it totally works. And it's okay because the music is even better than the gimmick. And so that's
Parker
I told you
at that concert that I thought they were gimmicks. This is not something I'm usually into, but they care so much about the music and they put so much effort into arranging that music and playing it live that the gimmick just adds to it somehow. Yeah, it works. usually I don't love the gimmicks, but I do like Ice Night Kills and maybe the horror aspect helps that a little bit.
Steve
It works, right? Yeah, it does.
Jason Ziolo
The horror aspect
helps for sure. Did you hear that they came out and described their origin story lately? Did you know they're all children of members that were in a band in the 80s?
Reed
the cord.
Steve
Really?
Parker
No way, okay.
Jason Ziolo
The
band was called, I'm gonna get this right here, Grave Diggler, and they were an 80s glam band.
Reed
Catch ya, boys.
Steve
Really?
Dave Cravotta
⁓
Chris
Rafe Diggler.
Jason Ziolo
So they most recently, I guess back in the 80s, Gravediggler used to tour with Motley Crue and they used to, with Poison and Wasp, and they had this big, they were a big deal. And I guess they had this album called Heller High Slaughter, and Ice Nine Kills recently came out and covered one of their songs.
Reed
Thank
Jason Ziolo
and called it Grave Diggler Part Two, as if they're representing Grave Diggler. And they did this all for this movie that was called Ready or Not To, it came out a couple weeks ago, I guess it's a horror movie, I didn't see the original, I didn't hear much about the new one, but like their whole core of being into horror and stabby movies, this was a stabby movie, total horror, and they have basically the title track of this album.
They put out a huge announcement about how we all came from Grave Diggler. They did a video and a documentary about it, had members, they had some different members on there. They had some people from Steel Panther come out and talk about the documentary. Totally fun. If you listen to the song, it is glam metal to the hilt. And you can't find it on Spotify. It is totally only released on YouTube.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Parker
Hmm. I've never heard of this band.
Jason Ziolo
And then
after they did it, they said, yeah, guys, that's all total bullshit. So it's totally something they made up as a marketing blitz. They knew they'd have one song on the soundtrack to this random horror movie. And so they went with it. And they made up this whole back story. They called it part two to give it a little bit more oomph and actually make sure people take it a little more seriously.
Parker
That's right.
Jason Ziolo
And they totally made it up, Blair Witch style, for metal music in 2026. And for that Ice Nine Kills, I salute you, because I think it's freaking awesome. So go check it out. It's only on YouTube. I just wanted to share it, because I think it's fun, and it totally fits the Ice Nine Kill vibes. And they are not an 80s glam band, but this is an 80s glam band.
Chris
Love it.
Parker
That's funny.
Thank
Chris
Like how much weed do you have to smoke to come up with this idea? Like we're all the sons of like some 80s hair metal band. Like, I mean, that's some good weed. That's really good stuff.
Reed
Yeah.
Steve
What?
Jason Ziolo
You
You
Good for them, man. It's awesome. Spencer Charnas is fun. He's the lead singer and he's in all the horror stuff and he's always putting out an image. And again, I wouldn't be into the gimmick if the music wasn't as good as it was and they really are pretty awesome. So that's my story. Yeah, totally super entertaining.
Travis
The video is super entertaining.
Chris
I just pulled it up. can't wait to watch it after the show after the podcast is over. So yeah looks good
Parker
Fair enough.
Jason Ziolo
It's not suitable for work, I've been told.
Dave Cravotta
Okay, good to know.
Steve
Bye.
Travis
Yeah,
Chris
Okay.
Travis
I definitely wouldn't watch it at the office. And there's a moment too, where like there's one of the actors in the video, I'm absolutely convinced is supposed to be Mark Wahlberg, because I have to assume that the diggler part of the name comes from boogie nights. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Of course!
Dave Cravotta
Hmm.
Jason Ziolo
Actually, Michael, I actually have the list in front of me. I don't know who half these people are, but Samara Weaving and Katherine Newton, I guess they were in the movie supporting, they're in the documentary. Elijah Woods in the documentary, Steven Percy from Rat, Michael Starr from Steel Panther, Matt Pinfield for us more vintage folks. He was 120 minutes back in the 90s. And how much fun is that? Cool. Parker, wanna tell us about Era?
Dave Cravotta
⁓ yeah!
Steve
Wow.
Dave Cravotta
Mm-hmm.
Please.
Parker
Yeah, we can jump in.
Jason Ziolo
It's our favorite and
it's talked about on the podcast.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Parker
Yes, absolutely.
I took pictures for y'all.
Dave Cravotta
⁓ excellent.
Jason Ziolo
Parker's got a slide deck he put together so he can show us what he's
Dave Cravotta
What'd they open with? What was the
first song? What'd they come out and just slam to the audience?
Parker
Who? or currents? Alright, alright.
Dave Cravotta
Yes, both of the so for me there was
Reed
Yeah
Dave Cravotta
a hang out before you do that. There was an episode some time ago where we talked about some of our it might have been like the first or second episode for some reason my stuff cut out and then when I came back in Parker you were talking about maybe I was late you were talking about era and currents being two of your favorite current bands and I'm like, me too, but I didn't get to comment because I was late or whatever. But there are two bands that I would love to see and these guys are at the top of the list. So I'm
personally super excited to hear about both of these these shows for you.
Parker
Yes, I am going to jump it. Hold on, I'm having tech issues. This is fun. I can't even see you guys anymore.
Jason Ziolo
Parker dragged
Dave Cravotta
We have like two people in
the house.
Jason Ziolo
me to the current show, not dragged me, but took me to the current show. They headlined with like a mouth to flame. Did I say that right? And that's outside of my wheelhouse. But man, that current guitar player, that's Richardson, isn't it? Jason Richardson? No, I'm wrong. She was what I know. But that guitar player absolutely slayed.
Dave Cravotta
No.
Chris
Dave, I looked at the set list. I can tell you what they opened with. waiting, I'm trying to stall for Parker though over here to get his AV act together here. But it's a song that you like.
Dave Cravotta
Yes.
Oh cool, yes. I'm always interested in what's the first song and what's last song? What did you open with, what's the closing?
Jason Ziolo
Did they play mostly New York style?
Reed
You
Chris
Yummy.
Parker
All right.
Jason Ziolo
god,
we have multiple parkers.
Dave Cravotta
Whoa.
Reed
they're like next they're like bookending me. that was that got my anxiety up a little there.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Chris
Ha
Dave Cravotta
I moved.
Parker
do you really?
do we really? can you kick? can you kick the- wait, i only have one of me
Jason Ziolo
Okay, don't worry.
Dave Cravotta
You're back to
Chris
Yeah, we
Reed
You're down
Chris
kicked
Dave Cravotta
one.
Reed
to one again.
Chris
the other one out.
Parker
Okay,
okay, all right, sorry.
Dave Cravotta
status.
Parker
This is what I get for trying to share a very cool frickin' thing I made, huh?
Reed
Dude, looking at this.
Jason Ziolo
What's scary is Harper is a software developer and he can't figure this shit out.
Reed
Look at this set list. I am so
Parker
Shall
Reed
so jealous. wasn't there
Parker
I say Xbox?
Dave Cravotta
I imagine that lot of it was supporting
the most recent album, I gotta imagine they're also covering or playing some stuff from earlier as well.
Reed
Yeah, you're right. You're right. What do think they opened with, Dave? Go ahead. Take a guess.
Parker
Okay, here we go.
Dave Cravotta
That was not.
Jason Ziolo
Get with him.
Reed
Boom!
Dave Cravotta
Gore of Being.
Damn it! I would love that show! I was in Ohio in the woods.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah.
Steve
What?
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, we were on vacation. That's why I couldn't go to this. We were. We hung out in Hocking Hills State Forest for a long weekend. And I could have been at this amazing show. Blast.
Steve
I was in the woods, I wanted to go to show.
Parker
Yes,
you would have. It's very good. I'm almost back up and running here. Sorry.
Dave Cravotta
me just
Jason Ziolo
can see your screen now.
Dave Cravotta
from these that would see how close you are that's fantastic Travis that looks like the deluxe like something like that like a two hundred person venue or something.
Parker
Well...
Reed
Where was the show?
Travis
Yeah, it's an intimate.
Parker
This
is probably the worst venue that's within the driving distance of us. So it was at the Raven Milwaukee, which also has a ballroom now upstairs. For some reason, they didn't let us into the ballroom. It wasn't in the ballroom. And it wasn't like there was an event going on there because it was empty. like, while it seems like it's a little bit more intimate of a venue,
⁓ You get these frickin' pillars everywhere. And, ⁓ I do love pillars!
Steve
Yeah.
Reed
But you love pillars.
Chris
⁓
Travis
Ha
Jason Ziolo
Don't.
Dave Cravotta
Put that right on the T.
Chris
my god
Reed
Yeah.
Parker
But
other venues don't have the pillars vertically, like they're like they give space or they just close it off, right? They just open it up. So ⁓ that's the first complaint. But the first band we walked into, we missed some of Aviana's set, but ⁓ they're good. But they're kind of they're kind of gimmicky. They're there. They do the mask thing and they do a lot of that more like
Jason Ziolo
⁓
Parker
I don't know if I'd call them bad encore, but you know, it's more towards that whole, you know, more vibrant, less technical side of things. Now they do have some songs that hit heavy and I do, I do enjoy them. ⁓ When I didn't know they played in masks the last time I saw them was just kind of a one-off show and they weren't. ⁓ At least I remember them not doing it. So I don't know if they're leaning into the sleep token thing or whatnot, but ⁓ you know, I wouldn't write home.
about them. And then we have Caskets and Caskets is a UK ⁓ boy band. I mean, it's like boy band metal. You guys know boy band metal. It's like the modern thing people are doing.
Jason Ziolo
Thanks.
Dave Cravotta
What? No I don't.
Jason Ziolo
We do.
Dave Cravotta
That is not a
Jason Ziolo
What's another band you'd call Boy Band?
Parker
it
is a thing. Did you hear? Okay, I'm gonna segue into ⁓ New Devil Wears Prada at some point, but if you hear their last album, you would be like, okay, I understand metal boy band. It's not good. Jason, you said something.
Dave Cravotta
⁓ ugh.
Like this doesn't seem like your thing Parker. I feel like you're defending it but...
Steve
none.
Parker
No, I'm not defending it, it's just terrible. And then we get to current, and this is their first song that they opened with. Dave, any guesses for current?
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, okay, good.
Noooo
Jason Ziolo
Is this
the intro?
Dave Cravotta
I don't know titles well enough, hang on.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, I couldn't tell you.
Parker
They opened with Sola Long.
Dave Cravotta
⁓ geez, that's one of their biggest sins,
Parker
They open.
Yeah, it was a it was a good setlist. Setlist was so alone, unfamiliar. Let me leave my severance making circles. Can't turn back. Rises and fall. Remember me the death we seek. It was like they played every single possible hit they had. Monsters kill the ache and then they close with it only gets darker, which is their new like single that's blowing up everywhere. And these I mean. Shocking take.
Dave Cravotta
That's all.
Cool.
Parker
I'm about to drop here, but they had a better set than Aira did.
Dave Cravotta
OOF! WOAH! WOAH!
Jason Ziolo
Wow.
Parker
They had a better set than Aera did. I mean, like everything they did was just on point. And the reason I say that is because for whatever reason, I don't know what Jesse Cash's voice was going on. Maybe it was in a bad spot, but he wasn't on with the Queens and Curran smashed every single song they sang.
I was expecting Era to just like be who they are because they're good at every single show. What I did love about Era is they're turning their shows into almost like a ⁓ play, like theatrical. They start with Act 1 and then they just expanded from there. was like Act 1, Act 2, Act 3 was kind of cool. I haven't seen bands really lean into that in a while.
Dave Cravotta
Cool.
Thank
Parker
And you can see their show was just so vibrant. It was it was a beautiful Like display of lights it was it was in crowd and it went all the whole time the whole time They were just blasting you with a vibrant lights
Jason Ziolo
It looks like they had a lot of lights and you can really miss camera.
Steve
Well, they were trying to get the people behind the pillars, you know what mean?
Parker
Yeah, man. and it was crazy when when arrow started playing I mean they've got like I don't know how how many feet back I'm at I'm back right here, but I'm on the back wall right now I can't go back any further
Reed
you
Dave Cravotta
that's not,
Steve
wow, that's a small
Dave Cravotta
yeah,
Steve
venue.
Dave Cravotta
that's not big at all. Yeah, that's surprising.
Parker
And people were
spilling out on the sides. I kind of felt bad because there were a lot of people that couldn't make it in and actually see the band. They had to listen to them behind the wall. And that's why I hate the rave. It's not open. It doesn't support a lot of people. ⁓ It's in the ⁓ man. And then the sound quality. ⁓ The sound quality. Like you have to be in a very specific spot.
Dave Cravotta
no!
Chris
him.
Parker
It's like a movie theater or like one of those old theaters. ⁓ You know, it's... I don't know what happens, but it just gets so muddy on the side in that venue. It's kind of sad. You can kind of hear it here. But obviously that's them playing Further Eden. And I did... I got the riff that everybody cares about. So we got the harmonics here.
Dave Cravotta
Mm.
Jason Ziolo
It does sound like mud. I don't know if that's the...
Reed
Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
Mm-hmm.
Parker
And I was really wondering when they were about to drop this, I'm like, are they going to be able to do the harmonics the same way?
Dave Cravotta
Right, you gotta do that live, because that's real, precise and technical.
Parker
And they hit it. It's a little different. I imagine it sounds a little different every single night they play this, but I was thoroughly impressed.
Reed
Nailed it.
Jason Ziolo
That is so gnarly, man.
Parker
It's so crazy. It's such a good song. And then this is probably my favorite picture of the night with those lights. It was just like all vibrant the entire time. As vibrant as you could possibly make it in there. I could see the crowd more than I couldn't during Araset. And it was kind of cool. It was crazy, the lighting. And of course, they closed with Snowblood.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Chris
Nope.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Parker
They made a joke before this that the song they played before, which is a pretty good song, Echo Sonata. It's a pretty good single on their new record. know, Johnny, or I'm sorry, Jesse Cash is like, yeah, this is the better song of the two. And, you know, everybody's looking at him like, what are you talking about? But it was pretty funny. But overall, ⁓ a great concert. I...
If I were to say would I purchase tickets to go again, my answer is mixed because I love these two bands. I think they're going to just keep exploding. ⁓ They are they are the standard for this type of music. When Currents came out, like people were doing what Currents was doing. Sure, a lot of people know who Vaila Myla is. They're a lot genty, kind of like them, but in a more heavy sense. ⁓ When when Currents came out, they they pulled back the curtain.
and slowed everything down and added that crazy eerie ambience on top of everything. Every single band in this genre came out with albums that tried to match that level after they dropped their first album. And I've, from the heavy scene, I don't really see a trend change that quickly. ⁓ So they're, you know, they're great. Aera, I think I told my girlfriend the other day that Aera is my new favorite band. That's...
Jason Ziolo
Whoa,
that's a deal.
Parker
how good they are.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Parker
Yeah, they are phenomenal. I know I said Currants had a better show, but I've seen Aera a lot and every single time I've seen them, including at the rave, which doesn't do sound justice at all, ⁓ they sound just like the album. I saw them at Sonic Temple most recently before this and they, if it had a roof, it would have been blown off because they, I mean, they were an early band too. They were there at like,
Steve
Well.
Parker
12 p.m. That's pretty early. And there were more people there in the morning than we saw at some of the afternoon shows.
Jason Ziolo
Very cool. That's awesome. You went to two shows. You did Chicago House of Blues and The Rave in Milwaukee.
Parker
But the rave sucks. I did go to two shows.
I did. ⁓ I chose not to include any pictures from the House of Blues because I got there late. I got there ⁓ when Currents was about was changing sets and I didn't get inside until they were playing ⁓ much better sound quality. They did have to stop the show. Someone got hurt on the floor, so they stopped the show for a little bit, ⁓ which, you know, awesome that they stopped the show for an injury, but it was the middle of their set. So sometimes that can.
you know, kind of drain the energy a little bit, but ⁓ just an unfortunate incident, right? ⁓ And then I was forced up to the balconies. If anyone's been to the House of Blues in Chicago, you know how cramped it is. You know, they always let too many people in and ⁓ getting late to a show and trying to push your way through. I'm, I'm, dude, I'm not about that life anymore. Sometimes, but.
Dave Cravotta
Good.
Parker
but not at the House of Blues with sweaty inside and they have no AC. So I was forced up to the balcony to watch, which you get like this crazy high angle on the bands, which does lead to some really cool pictures, but the sound's not the same and it's obviously not the same up there. But sound quality, what's that? It does. It does. It's bad.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Reed
Dude, the House of Blues sucks. The House of Blues sucks, and it used to be such a great venue. It used to be awesome,
Jason Ziolo
It sucks so bad, it's awful.
Parker
It's bad.
Reed
like...
Jason Ziolo
Do remember
that Reid? Reid, we used to go there and be like, it's a blues show, awesome, totally cool. We'd be there early, we'd find that spot in the bar, and we'd have seats, and it'd be right in front of the stage, and it was like the best spot. And now they just fill it to the gills. ⁓
Reed
All the time, yeah.
Parker
Yeah.
Reed
Yep.
Yep.
Parker
Yeah.
I will say
they do a ⁓ pretty good job with the sound because the balcony, even though you're elevated, the balcony still had a better sound than the rave. The rave just needs to do, they need something better. They need to really turn it up, especially if they're gonna use this warehouse old ballroom looking weird thing. Like it literally looks like a back room.
It's nuts. need to just, they need to get on top of it, especially if they're going to be shoving people with this caliber of band on that floor. It just, it's a mess.
Reed
I mean, it kind of, the picture reminds me a little bit of a Concord, right? Like that kind of warehouse feel, but like Concord, at least, is like wide open.
Parker
It is
exactly. Concord is just massive. So well, at least for people on the floor. mean, if...
Jason Ziolo
the cool venue.
Reed
Concord's awesome.
Yeah.
Yep. Yeah, and all their pillars
are off to the side by the bars where they technically should be. So you saw your favorite band in two really shitty venues.
Parker
Yeah, exactly. Right, exactly. So, you know, I get it. It's expensive.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Parker
I did.
I really did. ⁓ Yeah, it is what it is. I was hoping maybe Aragon or something of that nature, but ⁓ whatever. It was cool to kind of be in a more intimate setting because when we came through, mean, like literally they don't even hide it. There's not even a...
Reed
Yes.
Parker
You know, sometimes there's curtains and stuff that hides when you're walking through into. They don't even have that open. If you wanted to, you could have just walked up on stage. That's how intimate it is. But again, like, if it is that intimate and you know that it's a band of this caliber, maybe some other thoughts should have happened. know, Metallica did that show at... ⁓ Help me out here, Jason. Metro...
Reed
You
Jason Ziolo
Night throw.
Parker
But they limited tickets, right? They did it, they're like, well, Metallica, like, are you kidding me, Metro? Like, they limited tickets, so I would imagine if you want an intimate setting, you gotta do something like that, or you just gotta move it to the bigger venue. Move it to the ballroom. Why can't we have it in the ballroom ⁓ on a random Tuesday night? Nobody's in there.
Steve
Didn't we have a chance to go to that Metallica show
too? Like somebody had tickets through somebody.
Reed
Fuck the metro.
Jason Ziolo
Jackie and Dan, me and Reed's cousins went and they did not deserve to go because they are not big enough fans. And they called me that morning and said, Jason, get your ass up here and stand in line for it with us. And I said, I probably, and I was like, I should have went and God, all the regurts.
Reed
Yeah. And they didn't have tickets.
Steve
Right.
And you had called me that day or something.
I wish I would have just said fuck it.
Reed
Didn't they?
Green Day did a show at Metro 2, right? That Jackie and Dan snuck into?
Jason Ziolo
I went to that one.
I got legit tickets to that. Like, out of nowhere, I got the Green Day after show at Lollapalooza at the Metro, is, I think it's 800 or 1,200 people. And same cousins, your cousin, he snuck into that show by talking his way in. And that dude has a permanent horseshoe up his ass. That's all I'll say.
Parker
Remember you want to
Steve
What?
Reed
Yes he
does. Yes he does. And the metro sucks.
Jason Ziolo
That's a different discussion. Guys, we'll.
Steve
Never seen green
day.
Jason Ziolo
They're another one of those bands that I can't get away from. They're kind of like cornering me, Steve. They're always around and I'm always...
Reed
that's a fun one.
Steve
God damn it. Another bucket list for me.
Dave Cravotta
There it is
Reed
Just seeing them over and over again.
Dave Cravotta
every time
Steve
Fuck!
Parker
⁓ man.
Jason Ziolo
Guys, let's pause here for a second. Can any of you see Travis?
Steve
No.
Reed
No, Travis is a box.
Dave Cravotta
His camera is disabled,
Parker
No.
Dave Cravotta
he but he can hear us. He just texted me.
Jason Ziolo
He can hear
us, where, so, oh, he's texting us.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah. Yes, sir.
Travis
Yeah, can you guys hear me?
Steve
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
We can
hear you.
Travis
Yeah. So I've got audio. Yeah. So it said like my session said it stopped recording and then it dropped me. And then when I joined it, it disabled my camera. I have no idea why.
Jason Ziolo
Why don't you drop and come back in and we'll wait for you.
Travis
Yeah, I'll drop completely. So.
Jason Ziolo
I will give you
second to figure it out. Parker, just so you know and everybody, when you share your screen like that, the AI that I use will always give preference to the screen. So like we were all talking and you had that image up for like a couple, two, three minutes. That's what they're gonna see in the videos, just that image. So when you're done with it, whenever anyone presents, as soon as you're done with it, turn it off. It's not the end of world.
Parker
Okay, okay.
Steve
I'm just gonna present my beautiful face, that's
Parker
Okay, got it. I wasn't
Steve
all I'm gonna...
Parker
sure if I should leave it because we're still talking about the con- you know, I don't know. Yeah. Okay. That's fine.
Jason Ziolo
No, I'm with you. And I'm too lazy to go in and choose what camera to show at every scene.
Steve
Yeah, I'm too lazy to put together a PowerPoint. So
all you guys are gonna get is this right here.
Chris
Yeah, no shit.
Steve
Hahaha!
Jason Ziolo
It's not a good word.
Parker
I got
one more little tasty treat for you all regarding that before we move on, but I think you'll like it. Nice.
Jason Ziolo
Travis is back. All right,
Dave Cravotta
There
Steve
There
he is!
Dave Cravotta
we go.
Reed
There he is.
Jason Ziolo
wait, game on, let's go.
Reed
There he is.
Travis
It's always the IT guys that have the technical difficulties, you know.
Jason Ziolo
That is true.
Parker
So to close the currents, well I got this nice GORV being hoodie, my new favorite hoodie, but ⁓ I also picked up this bad boy, which is their era title record with all their signatures from that time. ⁓ So I was pretty happy with the merch selections. I may have put myself into immense debt.
Reed
Thanks.
Travis
Nice.
Dave Cravotta
That's...
Steve
Thanks
Jason Ziolo
We are.
Parker
Totally kidding, but there was a lot that I wanted and I was like I gotta be like get me away from the table I'm gonna do something stupid
Reed
Totally worth it.
Jason Ziolo
Travis, you saw some shows recently. Let's get into them a little bit. And I'm kind of salivating to talk about Our Lady Peace. They're like a top 10 band for me. And I know I wanted to go to that show and couldn't find anyone to go with me. And then we started talking over text message or messenger. And you're like, yeah, I'm going. And there was all this drama around.
Chris
gonna have to sell some Pillars hats.
Travis
Yeah. So they're on the 30th anniversary tour right now. So they were supposed to play indie on March 19th with opening act, the verve pipe. And I want to add that they are a great band villains, I think is one of the most underrated albums of the nineties. It's phenomenal. They're yeah, they are tremendously good live too. I really enjoyed it. But yeah, they, they played about 45 minutes or so.
Jason Ziolo
Another great thing from the 90s.
And the song buildings are so good too.
Travis
We waited, you know, the roadies came out, did the setup and then a couple of the guys in the band and then, like the, I'm assuming like the tour manager or whoever he's like, yeah, sorry. Rain's really sick. You know, he went to urgent care. He really didn't want to do this, but you know, we we've got to cancel. So they postponed it.
Yeah. Yeah. So I was there like, you know, about an hour and a half before they opened the doors or so, or before they started. And then, you know, I was like, yeah, totally bombed. Cause for those unaware, our lady pieces from Canada, they are huge in their home country. They've won a bazillion Juneau awards. They've sold a bazillion records up there. I'm sure those guys can walk into any place and everybody would know who they are in the U S they've not really had that kind of success. I mean, they've definitely had some radio hits, but
They don't tour the U S very often. And they certainly don't tour Indianapolis. In fact, I don't know of ever being aware of a show that they've ever done in Indy. The only other time I'd seen him was in Bogarts or at Bogarts in Cincinnati in like 2004. So it had been a long time, but so they postponed literally that night. They made an announcement, Hey, we've already rescheduled. And so it was actually this past Monday that I just went and rain must've been really sick because they ended up canceling
a few other shows after the Indie show.
Jason Ziolo
It was like a week or a week and a half of shows they canceled. Yeah, it was a lot.
Travis
Yeah. So they never,
I don't know if he had flu or what, or, know, laryngitis or his voice was just shot, but yeah, they, felt pretty bad about it. So this past Monday, they referred to it as an evening with our lady piece. And it was just them. They did not have the opener. So they didn't bring verpi back or had a local act or anything like that. And they, played for about two hours. It was phenomenal. Yeah. They, it was great. I, I heard songs that I never thought I would ever get a chance to hear.
Dave Cravotta
you
Steve
That's kinda cool.
Travis
They played potato girl, which is one of my favorite tracks out of happiness. So yeah, it was great. They, they closed with star seed and the, the band was really tight. I could tell that rain was probably still recovering from whatever sickness that he had. It took probably three or four songs for him to really get warmed up. They opened up with Superman's dead, which was, you know, of course that's one of their most well-known tracks. But you know, for me, you know, Jason mentioned it's a top 10 band.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, from happiness.
Travis
Clumsy is one of like the defining records of my youth. I've listened to it a bazillion times.
Jason Ziolo
listen to that weekly
still. I listen to that damn album weekly. It's ingrained.
Travis
Yeah,
it's so good. Yeah. Yeah, Dave said our Venn diagram of music is basically just a circle.
Dave Cravotta
Doppelgangers!
Steve
It's weird. They both got the great great tea and shit. Yeah
Jason Ziolo
Hahaha
Dave Cravotta
Right? I know!
Yeah,
there's not very much outside that circle of Venn diagrams from music for these two.
Steve
Yeah, and Jason's also like, ⁓ Lady
Peace,
Jason Ziolo
They played a couple did they they have a I've been actually following it pretty closely and they have a like a rotating song in their set and they like will figure out a random song to play that they haven't played in a while and they'll fit it in and a couple a couple shows ago they did paper moon which is not they're a top 10 band for me paper moon is a top 10 song for me it is one of my almost I have a tattoo that's my paper moon tattoo
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
⁓ because it's Arlene Peete. And I just was so jealous that they played it. Like, it's her solo at the end of Paper Moon is so, like, filled with soul and emotion, and you can just feel it bleeding out of him. And, like, every one of their albums, just, it's just raw emotion, except for that one with the boxer on the front, which is really, really bad.
Travis
I remember you saying that,
Yeah. Yeah. It wasn't a big fan of that record. Yeah. The band sounded great. The guitar tones were phenomenal, you know, especially when rain would bring out the acoustic and then they'd have the lead over it. You know, it was awesome. Somewhere out there in particular, it was probably one of the highlights that like, that was just a really, really well-performed song. You know, they had some video, but you know, the Vogue is the name of the venue where they played for those unaware of the Vogue is
Jason Ziolo
Like out.
Reed
Jason.
Travis
really one of the OG venues kind of left in what we call the broad ripple area, broad ripple. When I was, you know, a young whippersnapper coming up in Indianapolis, like the place to go, you know, in my early twenties, it's kind of dead now. A lot of the places that, know, we, think so. mean, peppers is gone. The patio is gone. Pop cats gone. So, you know, a lot of the places Dave actually, you know, the mid
Steve
Really? Rod Ripple? I went to Purdue, so I...
Dave Cravotta
Hard as well. Yeah.
Steve
Yeah.
Travis
band that he mentioned earlier that we were in, you know, we used to play peppers in broad rebel court, which is actually right next door or was right next door to where the Vogue is now. So the Vogue is, is a really, really well-known place. They've had so many great acts. They're kind of known for, for kind of up and coming artists before they kind of break it. They've been known to kind of play there. So I've seen quite a few shows there. So I was really happy that our lady piece decided to go there because I was 10 feet from the stage. You know, I was on the floor dead center.
So it was super intimate. got some pretty good photos while I was there. It was awesome. I really, really enjoyed it. I'm glad I went.
Jason Ziolo
Cool. Reed and I, saw R80 piece open for Bush. That's how we learned about Danko Jones. Hell yeah. Yes. That's another one of my top. You know Danko Travis?
Reed
Jason, didn't we open for Danko Jones?
Dave Cravotta
wow.
Reed
DENKO open for Our Lady Peace. Yes, yeah.
Travis
Danko's pretty great.
Reed
Danko's amazing.
Travis
I do know Danko. Yeah. Yeah. I've never seen it, but yeah, he's got some cool stuff. Yeah.
Reed
He had to, here's a true story for you. he always closed every show with, I forget the name of the song, cause it's been a while. Huh? The mountain. Where he would, yeah, where he would slap himself in the face, like violently. And at one show, he slapped himself so hard that he ruptured his eyeball, like out of the socket. So he had to go to the emergency room and the doctor was like, stop slapping yourself in the face. So he had to stop slapping himself in the face.
Jason Ziolo
mountain the it's called the mountain
Travis
Now that's rock and roll.
That's outstanding.
Dave Cravotta
That's a
great story read. Great take.
Reed
It is
a great, it's a great story.
Jason Ziolo
The Mountain is cool because
he only plays it live. It's never been recorded. it's that song you will never forget it after you see it. And at the end of it, he's basically screaming, everybody's sexy in heaven. So it's like, everybody's sexy in heaven. Everybody's sexy in heaven. And I remember Reed, saw that opening for I Would Be Peace when we looked at each other like, I don't know if I hate it or I love it. And we both fell head over heels for Danko Jones after that.
Reed
Dude, and then we saw, he came back on his own tour and played, I forget the shitty bar that we saw him at, but that show was insanely good.
Jason Ziolo
Yep.
Insanely good. Last time I saw Danko Jones, this is something I'm not proud of. You guys have heard Danko Jones, if you don't know who he is, because he's on a Volbeat track that's all over the radio. And I saw Danko open for Volbeats, and they were both absolutely miserable that night, which makes me sad. But Volbeat sucks, so I'll
Dave Cravotta
Hmm.
Eww.
Steve
Dude, I love their
Parker
Yeah,
I was gonna say you're sad, Vomit.
Steve
new song, man. I don't know, I don't give a fuck what you guys say. Their new song is fucking amazing. I love it. I don't give a fuck what you say.
Dave Cravotta
I'm so dead.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah.
Reed
Here's but I saw full beat live once and that was that there they had that one anthem song right where they're like fine fine remember that song
Parker
Yeah.
Steve
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
No, that's skinny, not skinny puppy, the other puppy band. Dead puppies, dead, dead.
Reed
No, no, no, no, that's, you're sick puppies. No, no,
no, this is a full beat song.
Dave Cravotta
No.
Steve
I gotta look it up.
Parker
Not sick puppies,
Steve
I gotta look it up.
Parker
no, it's not sick puppies. But I know what you're thinking about, it's not sick puppies.
Jason Ziolo
Stick puppies, that's
what I'm looking for.
Reed
This is a Volbeat song, but the backup singer for Volbeat was doing the like, you know, guttural like, fight kind of thing, but his voice was so high. So it was coming out like fight, fight. And we're like, what the fuck is this? It did not make me want to mosh.
Jason Ziolo
you
Travis
Which is funny because if I recall, he was like a death metal guy before Volbeat.
Jason Ziolo
It's, they're not.
Reed
The backup singer, the regular singer, the lead singer was, yeah. But this was like the guitar player that was doing the, yeah, yeah.
Jason Ziolo
See ya.
Travis
Yeah, the lead singer will be.
the leads. Yeah. you're talking about that. Yeah. Gotcha.
Steve
I gotta look this up
now. I was fucking drunk.
Parker
This song is called A Warrior's Call.
Steve
Yeah, that's not the one I was thinking of though.
Reed
There you go, For warrior!
Jason Ziolo
What's the Dango song?
Reed
Fight! Fight!
Parker
Yeah, I don't know very many Volbeat songs except for it would come on the radio and I would when I was younger, you know, mimic them for my friends to laugh. And that's all I remember Volbeat for. They're one of those like weird vocalist sounding, you know, that's why I don't like corn. So, you know, it's I know, I know, I know.
Dave Cravotta
We've talked about this.
Travis
Boo! Boo! Boo!
Steve
Yeah
Parker
It's just like, it's just a weird vocalist, man. I don't know. It's the weird noises. Yeah. Well, there's a huge difference. Absolutely.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, it's an error difference right there
Steve
A Monster's Hand is their... I think that's their newest release
off their newest album that's coming across my feed lately and I fucking love it. I fucking crank it every time it comes on. Yeah.
Parker
Ahem.
Alright. And just for the record, me saying I don't like corn because they have a weird voice doesn't mean I don't understand fully that corn and Volbeat is leagues apart. Corn is far more talented. I will fully admit that.
Jason Ziolo
Black road.
Steve
Yeah.
Travis
Somebody once described Volbeat as Elvis metal and I thought that was pretty accurate.
Jason Ziolo
The Dinko Jones' World Beat song has come.
Parker
Okay, I don't hate that description at all. I think it's pretty accurate. No, it does not.
Steve
Yeah, I don't either.
Dave Cravotta
but it doesn't make me want to listen to him.
Steve
You
Travis
I actually like them
quite a bit. I think they got a lot of cool stuff.
Jason Ziolo
Danko Volbeat's song is called Black Rose. And if you listen to it, Danko's got the entire first verse of the song. And I guess they made it because they went on tour together. And the Volbeat dude was like, this sounds like a Danko song. We need to get him. Come on. So here it is. And we lost Chris. Chris had to drop. He warned us he had to drop probably about this time unless he had enough gin in him. And I guess we didn't put enough gin in him.
Parker
Okay.
Steve
Well, I've
Parker
Hahaha
Steve
been drinking since
3 3 this afternoon so
Fuck.
Jason Ziolo
Sweet, then, okay Travis, let's go to the next one. I don't know how I feel about Mammoth. I gotta be honest, you went and saw him, you said you're a huge fan, so I saw him, no I didn't see him, I sat in the parking lot and listened to him, because Ticketmaster raked me over the coals with some tickets I bought. You were there, same feel, I was in the parking lot and you were seeing him.
Steve
saw him I was there and cuz cuz Jason wasn't yeah I mean
Travis
They do that.
Steve
they were they were good I just I didn't know much you know when I saw him so I thought they played well it wasn't it was a good show to see while you're texting me bitching about how ticketmaster raked you over the Coles and all that fun shit yeah
Jason Ziolo
Yep. Travis, you're a pretty big fan though, right?
Travis
So let me preface it.
Yeah, I love Wolfie. He's such a cool kid, like, you know, Dave, if I remember the first time you ever saw G &R was with me at Luba Soil, they were the opening band. And I think you missed them because you showed up later.
Jason Ziolo
Give us a little background on who Wilson is for the man.
Dave Cravotta
was pretty late
I caught like the last track or two last song or two it was okay but then you had said something so I should I should say this as well as far as Travis and I relationship goes Travis is introduced me to more new music that just about anybody I know they say your best friends are the ones who introduced you to new music and Travis is that guy there's it's band after band after band this group also is included in that we just don't have as much history together but this was definitely one of those bands Travis is like hey you got to check this out
Steve
That's right.
Jason Ziolo
I take that personally.
Dave Cravotta
Wolfie is the son of legendary guitarist Eddie Van Halen and has his own project. I think we could agree He's not trying to recreate Eddie Van Halen. He's doing his thing ⁓ And whenever you Travis it was last year I was like we had he came their band came up in conversations You know, I got to give this band another shot and I just went on Amazon music and played from the start and went on and like these songs are really cool like they're
Jason Ziolo
Not at all.
Steve
No, absolutely.
Dave Cravotta
I don't know, I'm not always intentionally seeking them out, but I really enjoy the stuff and I bet a show where they're the headliner was really fun.
Travis
It was, yeah. So when they first came out, they were known as Mammoth WVH, which of course was Wolfgang Van Halen. They dropped the WVH and they just went with Mammoth. They did that starting with the second album.
Jason Ziolo
You know
why it's called Mammoth, Travis? Why he goes by the name Mammoth?
Travis
I do not, actually.
Jason Ziolo
Mammoth is the name of Van Halen before they were Van Halen. So that they used to play as Mammoth and now, yeah. so Wolfie was in the new version of Van Halen with David Lee Roth when they kicked off the bass player Michael Anthony. I think that's right. They kicked out Michael Anthony or he left or Van Halen, they're known for all their fucking drama.
Travis
Very nice. good little factoid, yeah.
Dave Cravotta
no.
Steve
Get
the fuck outta here, no way.
Jason Ziolo
And Wolfie came in and stepped in and played bass and absolutely shredded it.
Travis
Yeah. Yeah. He plays bass. He plays drums. He plays piano. He plays guitar. He writes all the songs and actually a little fun fact that I had learned about him recently before mammoth was the thing he was actually in from Monty's band. played bass with from Monty. ⁓ Yeah. Yep. Yeah. So, but yeah, it was great. And so I want to say that I'm going to stop seeing bands in March though, because so the opener, James and the cold gun came out their lead singer.
Dave Cravotta
What? Wow. Whoa. That's my praise.
Jason Ziolo
I do remember that, yeah.
Steve
I don't remember.
Travis
sounded pretty rough. And he was like, guys, I'm sick of shit. Like, I was just like, man, everybody's just like, I'm just got the curse. then I guess, ⁓ 10 years was the second band, which I'd actually never seen 10 years before. I thought they were good, but yeah, they're great, but they didn't play very long. they played maybe 30 minutes, which I thought was pretty short for, especially being the second band. So, so mammoth went on by like eight, 15, I think, like it was pretty early. ⁓
Steve
Allergies, dude. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
You're a man.
I
it.
Travis
But Wolfie was also sick and he was talking. He was like, guys, I'm honestly, I've almost canceled the show tonight, but I wanted to do it. So he pushed through it. Honestly. He was great. He teased us with a little tool. He played a little lateralis there in the middle of the set was super awesome. But, you know, when Mammoth first came out, you know, everybody was like, dude, play Panama. I want to hear eruption. So I remember I messaged Jason and Dave. kind of made a little joke that the crowd there was definitely a lot of
Jason Ziolo
one question I asked.
Dave Cravotta
Yes, it's just so
good.
Travis
Yeah, you could, you, I think I said something like there was kind of like some young kids here and everybody else is like, you know, just left the NASCAR event and they're there. want to hear eruption for two hours. ⁓ cause it, know, and, Wolfie hated that shit. He was like, I remember he tweeted, like, he was like, guys, stop fucking asking me to play eruption. It's not going to happen. and so, you know, he was really wanting to do his own thing, which I really, you know, I respected him for that. Cause I mean, he's, he's got it in his DNA.
Steve
Yeah, just some loud cars.
Thanks
Travis
⁓ He came out and they just played song after song after song and I mean he just killed it I think the end which is the the title track off their most recent album I think it's one of the best rock songs of the last ten years probably The video is super entertaining if you guys are fans of from dust till dawn It is a total homage to from dust till dawn. The video was actually directed by Greg Nicotero who does the walking dead
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Steve
That's a tall...
Travis
and I, Robert Rodriguez, ⁓ I think like was, yeah, you of course wrote or directed from dusk to dawn. slash makes a nice little funny cameo in the band. But yeah, it was very cool. I really enjoyed it. yeah, the show was great. ⁓ you know, he's really embraced his legacy, but you know, it's one of those things where like, he's just like, look, I, you know, my dad's gone and I know how important he is to everybody. And I don't want to like marginalize that.
Steve
⁓
Jason Ziolo
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, sure.
Travis
But you know, it's like, I just want to do my own thing. And so, you know, the distance, which is a song he wrote on the first record is all about his dad. And he played the accompanying video. That was pretty emotional to kind of see the footage of, know, I didn't even know that Eddie played piano himself, but there's, you know, footage of him holding Wolfie like in front of the piano and kind of showing him like how that, and like you see in the video, like Wolfie's just kind of getting older and he's starting to play and he's playing how he's like 12 or 13. He's playing the drums and then he's playing these full blown shows and it's just.
Dave Cravotta
Wow.
⁓ man.
Travis
It was really cool to see like, he's just a super talented kid.
Jason Ziolo
That's cool. That's cool.
Yeah. Did you, just cause you mentioned about all the, you know, the Van Halen fanboys wanting to hear Eruption or Panabar or whatever it is, Mean Street. On April 1st, he got out. Did you guys happen to see this? I saw it on social media and I think it's awesome. I mean, I actually was telling my band about it last night. My band's, I'm a little younger than most of the folks in my band. And so,
Dave Cravotta
That's really cool.
Mm-mm.
Jason Ziolo
I told them this story and they didn't get it, but you guys will get it. So he came out and he's like, okay guys, I've been asked time and time again to play this song and I keep telling people no, but I'm ⁓ really feeling it tonight. I think this is gonna happen. And then, Dave, do know where I'm going with this?
Dave Cravotta
No, I mean I have an idea, but keep going. just, can see this and I can see the boomer is getting so excited. ⁓ he's finally gonna do it!
Steve
Okay!
Jason Ziolo
Well, when I talked to Travis about this, my one question was, did they play any Van Halen songs? Because I'm actually a huge Van Halen song. That is deep in my roots. And Eddie's my favorite guitar player of all time. ⁓ So he gets out there and he's like, so here we go. And they throw up on the back wall. They rick rolled the whole crowd and played rick ass to it. And they actually fucking played this song all the way through all day.
Dave Cravotta
is here.
Yes!
Travis
That's great.
Steve
Wait, they Rick Roll?
Travis
That's funny.
Dave Cravotta
Good for
them!
Jason Ziolo
And I was like, respect. That's pretty perfect.
Steve
They played the whole
Dave Cravotta
Yes.
Steve
Rick Roll song?
Dave Cravotta
You may have to explain what being a Rick world is.
Jason Ziolo
And I think they played the whole, what is it, Rick Astley, Never Gonna Give You Up. I mean, I saw them start it, I listened for like 10 seconds, I'm like, okay, I don't need to watch this. But I thought it was pretty cool.
Steve
Never gonna get you.
Dave Cravotta
Yes!
Parker
Yeah.
Steve
I've got a t-shirt that's
got a QR code to that YouTube video. It's just Rick Axel.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, and actually my drum head, because
I play drums for this band, I actually thought about getting that QR code. So that's pretty fun. People in the crowd will scan that and I'll rickroll them. But I told the older guys in my band about how they got rickrolled. And they're like, what's rickrolling? I don't even understand what that is. And I was just like.
Steve
I got it.
Never gonna get
Dave Cravotta
So, see
Parker
Ha ha!
Dave Cravotta
you next thing.
Steve
here.
Jason Ziolo
Pretty cool.
Dave Cravotta
I heard if you turn the things like, I'm never gonna do the things to I'm gonna do the things, it turns into a Nine Inch Nails song.
Parker
Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
I'm gonna give you up, I'm gonna let you down. It's like straight out of Hurt.
Jason Ziolo
That's all
I need to say.
Travis
Nice.
Jason Ziolo
That's amazing. Well, I'm jealous. sounds like Mammoth was pretty awesome, Travis. I did go listen to the album. It's solid. And my problem with them is I have immense respect for Wolfie. When you listen to those songs on radio, he's playing drums, he's playing bass, he's playing guitar, he's singing, he's doing all that. That's fair, Steve. But his vocals are a little lacking for me.
Steve
Yeah, you never seen him live too, like so.
Jason Ziolo
I mean, he does a much better job than I can do, but I wish there was a little more oomph to it. I wish they could get AJ to sing for him, and then it would be really awesome.
Dave Cravotta
Wolf.
Man.
Jason Ziolo
Cool, well, we lost Chris because we all have kids and whatnot and they take our time. So we're not gonna talk about nine inch noise today. Unless any of you guys know anything about that. I was really looking forward to learning a little more. I don't get what the hell is going on over there.
Steve
I looked it up,
it's just boy noise and nine-inch nails collaborating from what I saw. There are playlists out there.
Jason Ziolo
So
I.
Dave Cravotta
Let's save it. We'll save it for next time.
Steve
Yeah, we'll save it. Save it. it.
Jason Ziolo
We're gonna, save it for next
Steve
Save it.
Jason Ziolo
time when we her talk about it a little bit. So, yeah, the last thing really here on our list is I kinda wanted to talk about the used. Do any of you guys like the used at all? It's.
Dave Cravotta
loved that first
record, so fun. They came to Indianapolis, I was gonna go with a couple of buddies, we ended up not making it. I know like Burt McCracken stuff is legendary for throwing up on stage. He had to have vocal surgery, he overdid it, imagine that. Just overcooking things and not doing it right. Yeah, there's somebody that I kind of like meant to catch up with but never really did. I liked him, I didn't love him, but I, yeah, a lot of nostalgia there too. They seem pretty fun. So you got to see them?
Jason Ziolo
They're like that emo band that stuck for me. And them and Finch, I got both those records at the same time. It's like, can remember buying the actual physical CDs, putting them on my desk when I used to work my first job and I would rotate between Finch and the used. That first record, that first record is so cool. I've kind of kept up with them. And so recently they did a tour.
Dave Cravotta
Huh, yeah.
Wow.
Jason Ziolo
where they were doing three nights in a row at different cities and they were playing their first three albums, one record a night. And I actually had tickets and didn't make it because this is becoming my routine lately. But didn't make it, gave them away to a friend. But they came out and they only played like 12 songs. They played the whole album and called it in a night and it was like super quick. And then they did, so I'm kind of OK that I missed it because I would have been really bummed had I went all the way to the shitty house of blues to see it and only seen a couple of songs. But anyways, because you talk.
Steve
What's wrong with the House of Blues?
I feel like it's a decent venue.
Jason Ziolo
⁓ Go to a sold out show and try and buy a beer and it is damn near impossible.
Steve
Well, yeah, you got to get wasted before you
get in there, but sure.
Jason Ziolo
You speak from experience, but you know it took a little...
Steve
I don't know what you're talking about.
Dave Cravotta
This is when the guy
Travis
Ha ha ha ha ha.
Dave Cravotta
started drinking at 3.30 this afternoon.
Steve
Yeah. Yeah. So I saw OAR there. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Burt McCracken having a
OAR? Don't they only have one song and it's called OAR? I'm not into the hippie thing.
Steve
No.
Dave Cravotta
No,
A Crazy Game of Poker was the name of that song. I bet that's a fun show if you like jammy music. I mean, I've been to a few fish shows. They're pretty fun, you know, but...
Steve
Crazy game of poker.
Yeah!
Yeah, that's true.
Jason Ziolo
I saw
fish a couple of years ago. They were fucking awesome.
Dave Cravotta
Their improvisation is unmatched. Unmatched. Better than the dead. I said it.
Steve
I don't I have a good friend
of mine that likes Goose a lot. He travels the country to see them. I feel like they're the new Grateful Dead type band, know, real jam bandy. Goose, yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Same cousin who's coming up here to the Green Day show.
Dave Cravotta
Goose?
Jason Ziolo
I saw goose and I saw fish within a month of each other. I had a hippie jam band phase. I'm like, I'm gonna give this a chance. Yeah.
Steve
He's a big fish fan too, I think, but I mean Goose is...
He lives it. He's probably listening to this right now. Tony, I know you listen to Rock Van Radio, you son of a bitch.
Dave Cravotta
So there is.
Jason Ziolo
So Brooks, Brooks.
Dave Cravotta
So Travis and
I, there's another guy we'll text with who's local and an indie named John and John also likes fish and we love to razz Travis about fish and just like, hey, let's go to the fish show. Cause if I made Travis fucking hates them, but it's so fun to be like, I love this man and show some, I mean, if I would imagine Travis, you probably tell us better than I can, but those like short videos on YouTube, like what people who don't like fish think fish sounds like.
Jason Ziolo
you
Travis
I just can't do it.
Dave Cravotta
You know, like plinking on his xylophone and banging on pots and pans. I imagine to Travis that that's kind of what it sounds like for him. So we're all talking about fish right now and jam bands. Travis, ⁓ God, I got into this with these idiots. What are we doing?
Steve
Thank
Travis
Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
Yeah.
⁓ Yeah,
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, let's see.
Steve
Yes, Jam Band stuff,
Travis
I just can't I just can't
Jason Ziolo
My
Steve
man.
Jason Ziolo
cousin I was talking about.
Dave Cravotta
you
Steve
I listen to a lot of different stuff. Jason's more, I gotta listen to metalcore.
Jason Ziolo
My cousin who was talking about earlier, who snuck in at the Green Day show, got and saw Metallica, he is a fish head. He is, if I'm a local H guy and I know all the little crap, he is that fish guy. And I went with him and I told him, I'm like, next time you go, I want to come with you because I want you to explain this to me. And we did. We sat there and we had the best seats in the house. We were at United Center, which is where the Bulls play. And we had front row in the second balcony.
Steve
you
Dave Cravotta
Woof!
Jason Ziolo
dead center in front of the stage. he knows what he's doing when it comes to getting tickets. But he was pointing things out to me like, hey, so check out, and they did a three night stint, and like, I guess they opened up with the song the first of the three nights, and we were seeing it the third night. So they opened up with a song and didn't finish it, and then the third night they came out and they finished the rest of the song by opening it, which is stuff that's lost on me, because I don't know it, but as for these Uber fans, they're like,
Steve
No, those are good.
Dave Cravotta
Wow.
Whoa!
Steve
Yeah, but it's the people that go
Jason Ziolo
Mind blown, is amazing.
Steve
there every night. That's what I'm telling. Like these guys are fucking crazy, dude. They'll go to every single show and they'll pick up on those little nuances and just be like, I mean, that's...
Jason Ziolo
Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
The people at the fish shows are that's some incredible people watching but also kind of scary some go way too overboard on some drugs that are not super popular and they look like they are on They are on another universe Yeah, and it's kind of like and there's no bringing them back. It's not like the rationalizing with those folks. They are whoo. It's whole experience
Steve
Yeah, it is.
Another dimension, Another dimension.
Jason Ziolo
Shrugged. Yeah.
Steve
They're not like the beer drinkers.
Jason Ziolo
What I
find fascinating with this crew is if you go to one of these hippie jam band shows, when you walk out afterwards, there's all these people with tanks of nitrous. You know what I'm talking about? And they're all selling balloons. And so they've got these balloons of nitrous, and you literally have hundreds of people in the parking lot sucking on balloons, and the cops are just, I mean, the cops don't give a shit as long as you're not causing trouble.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, what
Jason Ziolo
And it's just a vibe for like three hours after the show. They sit in the corner, smoke pot, and suck on their heat. They're nitrous balloons. And it's a whole other world, man. I don't.
Steve
Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
That's so
messed up. I'm glad they're having a good time.
Jason Ziolo
But you guys, you musicians would appreciate it. Cause when I was, go with my cousin to see fish, he was pointing out, he's like, watch this, watch them change time signatures. And they'd slip into a different time signature for eight measures and then slip back out of it. And I guess he was telling me stories like they're all, I think they're all Berkeley musicians. I think that's right. They're all classically trained musicians and they almost try and stump each other on stage.
And you can see them playing off each other, and it is next level jam band stuff. Not my style at all, but respect where respect is due. Let's go back to the used. So you were talking about how Burt McCracken was an alcoholic puking on stage, famously dated Kelly Osborne during the Osborne's back in the 90s. That's how I first heard about him. In 2012, Burt McCracken sobered up. And part of how he
Dave Cravotta
Yep. Yep.
Yep.
Jason Ziolo
did that is he moved to Australia. And so he lives in They're definitely an American band, but he raises his family in Australia. And when you think of Australia, when you think of Sydney, I mean, in my brain, I think of the Opera House. You know, the big, the big, I don't know what you would call them, but the ceiling is very architectural with these big slants. And I guess Burt said, like, my dream is to play that place. And it turns out a couple years before,
Parkway Drive played it with the Symphony Orchestra that plays out of there. So Parkway Drive did it first and Burt's like, well, I gotta do this. And so they set it up, they came out and they had this show recently where it was The U's playing with the Symphony Orchestra. I think of like Metallica, S remember they did twice actually. And this is kind of, and Bring Me the Horizon did it, which is a really cool album if you've never listened to that album. But basically The U's came out, they announced it, it was Black Tie.
Parker
Thank
Jason Ziolo
If you go look at the videos, everyone's kind of dressed up nicely to see the used. And yet, you got Burt McCracken out there with an all-white tuxedo on stage looking like he is definitely not sober. But he is. Burt McCracken's kind of a dirty, greasy dude. And he's out there. And people just said that the symphony was absolutely amazing. They came out the first set, and they did all the hits off the big albums.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
and then they went a little deeper on the second set. And I guess the reviews I read is people just had tears in their eyes the whole night, including Bert, because it was just so such an honor to be there and something he wanted to be, wanted to be a part of. So I'm really excited for that. I can't wait for that to come out. They say the highlight of the night was pretty handsome awkward. It was the final song of the first set.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
pretty handsome awkward is the Transformers song that you probably know it's one of
Dave Cravotta
Yes, I love that song.
Jason Ziolo
their heavier songs. And even at one point he came out and they have a song called Blue and Yellow. I think it's off the first album. And Burt just out of nowhere walked out and sang it acapella, unplanned, with tears coming down his eyes like this is one of the most amazing moments of my life. I think I'm getting that right from what I read. So they recorded it professionally. I'm hoping to see that DVD and it's going to be freaking.
Travis
Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
Wow. Dang.
Jason Ziolo
So what else we got? Anything else?
Travis
Do it.
Parker
You know, there's
some kind of major news for a couple bands that maybe you guys know. I mean, you guys know Twisted Sister, right? Obviously. Snyder is he's officially replaced and they announced this Sebastian Bach. So. Sebastian Bach is replacing D Snyder in Twisted Sister. Yeah. Yeah.
Steve
Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
Mm-hmm. Yeah, he's Snyder.
Jason Ziolo
Deep
Sliders is not working anymore.
Steve
Wait, wait, wait, what?
Jason Ziolo
Sebastian Bach.
Travis
Nah, it's just a temporary thing though, right?
Steve
How is it possible?
Dave Cravotta
What?
Parker
Yeah, it was literally announced two days ago on April 7th. ⁓ We kind of knew he was going to be out, right? That was known for a little bit, heavy arthritis and health issues. So we knew he was leaving, but I would have never guessed who would have replaced that man.
Dave Cravotta
That's a great job. What?
HURR!
Steve
He makes Twisted Sister
though.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, he is that.
Parker
Yeah. Yeah. So I guess we'll see what Mr. can do for Twisted Sister. It will never be the same, I would imagine. ⁓
Steve
That's fucked up.
No, this is going to be like another Linkin Park
thing where they replace the lead singer with, you know, somebody that doesn't even sound like the original lead singer. And then you're like, what the fuck? Like, you can't cover that song anymore because you don't sound like that person at all.
Jason Ziolo
Well, Skid Row has been, I'm gonna talk an 80s metal here. Skid Row has been looking for a new singer for a long time now. And they've been very actively on the hunt, I guess. I read an article today that said they've gone through 200 submissions and yet to find the right person. Lizzy Hale of Hailstorm was last tour, maybe the tour before that, was their lead singer. And she came in and did a spot, did a whole tour, fronting Skid Row. And then,
Dave Cravotta
Wow.
Jason Ziolo
We can tie this all together in a nice little bow at the end here. The bass player from Skid Row just released a solo album. And this person is a boy. The name is Rachel. Rachel, is it Raquel Bowen? Is it a boy or a girl? I don't even know. I don't know much about Skid Row. But Bowen released a solo album with Skid Row on the track. And guess who's saying for them? Drum roll, Denko Jones.
Parker
centros.
Dave Cravotta
Mm-hmm.
Ha!
Jason Ziolo
They have a single out with Denko Jones fronting Skid Row right now, which is pretty rad.
Parker
Wow.
Dave Cravotta
Wow. There it is.
Travis
That's a little full circle there.
Jason Ziolo
Full circle.
Parker
Do you know the band Turnstyle?
Jason Ziolo
I certainly do. saw them when they were in town recently.
Dave Cravotta
Yes.
Parker
Did you know that their guitarist tried to run his father over with his car?
Jason Ziolo
I did see that.
Dave Cravotta
former guitarist
tried to run over I think the lead singer's father. Yes, and he's been arrested on attempted murder charges.
Travis
Yeah.
Parker
former. Yes, yes, yes.
He's been officially charged with attempted murder, So he's out completely. The band did make a statement saying, our love for him continues and we wish him nothing but the best. So they're playing it probably pretty close to the chest for fans, but
Dave Cravotta
well.
Parker
I would imagine if I had a bandmate who tried to run my dad over, I wouldn't be too happy.
Jason Ziolo
No, was one
of the founders, but he's not in the band anymore.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah, I think he had a lot of mental health issues and I'm sure that is difficult to manage.
Parker
Yeah, well, right,
Yes, I apologize, founding members. But it is pretty crazy. That is pretty wild.
Jason Ziolo
One of my least favorite people
in rock and roll is Johnny Hawkins of Nothing More. We talked about him a couple of episodes. You guys all heard me rant about this motherfucker. And he ran over his girlfriend with his car. One of the long list of things that he's done that are just kind of gross and out there. But.
Parker
Hahaha
Dave Cravotta
Yes.
Steve
Yeah, but they're fucking amazing in concert.
Parker
a long time ago.
Steve
And they're really good.
Dave Cravotta
They are, I
know, I totally agree. One of the best fans I've ever
Parker
When did he do
that?
Jason Ziolo
What's that, hear you speaking. A couple years ago, so if you remember, so I was really, really,
Parker
When did you do that? I didn't know this.
Steve
His foot slipped off the clutch. It's
fine. Sometimes, you know, yeah, yeah, you know, ⁓
Jason Ziolo
⁓ Yeah, okay.
Dave Cravotta
apologist.
Parker
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
The first two Nothing More albums I was obsessed with, absolutely obsessed with the second Nothing More album. And right around that time, I remember following him on social media, and Johnny Hawkins, most of his social media posts were him showing off his Barbie girlfriend. I mean, was everything stereotypical you'd think a rock star would want. And I don't mean to talk shit about women and what they look like, but it was long blonde hair, huge big boobs, never, never, never.
Parker
You loved. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
wearing much on these pictures and clearly stealing the attention from him. And then out of nowhere one afternoon the news came out that they're no longer together, because everyone knew who they were, she's all over his socials. And I guess he was suing her, she was suing him because he ran her over with his car, like literally legitimately. And ⁓ she came out and talked a bunch of shit and made all the headlines and all that.
Steve
Well, I mean, sometimes you get a run-in bitch over. I don't know, like, uh...
Jason Ziolo
Enough drama about that crap, but this seems to be a pattern for Donnie Hawkins putting himself in bad spots.
Parker
Interesting.
Absolutely.
Steve
I'll tell you what, when we saw them at fucking Rock, Rock, what was that? Rockfest, Rock USA. Jason, what was that? Up in Oshkosh. Rock USA. I honestly thought like this band should be on the main stage. Like they were on the side stage and it was like they don't deserve this.
Jason Ziolo
Well, that's fun.
Yeah. Rock you a set.
Steve
And then, you know, Manson fucking cancels. And it's like...
Jason Ziolo
This is, you bring this up like every three podcast episodes. Fucking man, you're a asshole.
Steve
I know, it pisses me off.
Dave Cravotta
You
Parker
That's his MO though, right? Manson was a little drama queen, I hear.
Travis
It's kind of known for that, yeah.
Jason Ziolo
But he's sober again, so he's supposed to be off the charts. And Chris and I are actually seeing him in a couple weeks. Sick New World is in like three weeks. Chris and I are going out to Vegas. That's going to be pretty weird.
Dave Cravotta
Woof!
Parker
Well, the latest picture I saw of Manson definitely looks like someone who did heavy drugs and stopped doing them. Because he's not looking good. yeah, he's, yeah. I remember there's a, ⁓ man, the Johnny Depp, the Johnny Depp trial, all those things, remember that? Johnny Depp told a story that Manson would hang out with him frequently.
Travis
He's another hard guy to like.
Parker
And one night he was annoyed that he was talking too much so he gave him a pill to stop talking.
Dave Cravotta
Wow.
Steve
Get out.
Jason Ziolo
A pill to stop talking? What does that mean?
Parker
You
know, like just get him so high that he's like chair locked or whatever you call it. And you know, Johnny Depp's going through the trial, has to talk about all the drug use and I'm just like, wow.
Travis
Wow.
Jason Ziolo
Cool. anyone got any shows in the next couple of weeks? I got a couple of them on my calendar. What do you guys see? Where are you going to see Parker?
Parker
I do as well.
I'm taking my son to his first concert ever and guess who it is? You love them, Jason. And they're up my alley. What?
Jason Ziolo
Sweet.
Steve
⁓
Travis
Nice.
Steve
Red Hat Chili Peppers.
Jason Ziolo
I'm warm.
Dave Cravotta
Fish.
Steve
Red hot chili peppers?
Parker
No, no, no.
Jason Ziolo
They're not touring.
I love them and they're on tour right now and they're coming to Chicago. I don't think this is a show I give up.
Parker
Yes.
It's Electric Callboy.
Steve
⁓ my-
Jason Ziolo
Dave, you were gonna come up for this. Dave, you were gonna come up for this show. We talked about it.
Dave Cravotta
⁓ wow, what a show!
Travis
Nice.
Dave Cravotta
Yeah,
was. I don't remember what the conflict was. Yeah, what's the date on that, Parker?
Parker
I believe it's May 3rd. I'm gonna fact check myself, but I think it's May 3rd. I am taking Elliot, who loves electric cowboy.
Jason Ziolo
I wanna see electric cowboy
It's on my
calendar, actually. I'm looking at my concert calendar. Parker, I'm going to be coming with you and Elliot to that. All right? I might invite myself to that.
Parker
Okay, do it.
Dave Cravotta
Guess who introduced me to electric cowboy?
Steve
They're so much fun.
Dave Cravotta
Travis.
Steve
They're so much fun.
Dave Cravotta
Yep, you gotta check this out.
Parker
They're fun.
And you have to check it out. It's crazy.
Dave Cravotta
Like what is this? Hypa Hypa. That was the first song I heard by them.
Jason Ziolo
It's, they have an album called Techno and it's Techno music played in the style of metal.
Steve
Well, good.
Dave Cravotta
Yes.
Parker
Yes.
Dave Cravotta
Yes.
Travis
Electronic Core is what they call it.
Parker
Now, they didn't start that way. Yes. Techno-Cowboy. They did not start this way. I followed Electric Cowboy when they started as a pure metalcore band and they were at that point called Eskimo Cowboy. They changed their name. They announced for in a number of crazy videos that they were looking for a new singer.
Dave Cravotta
Another core. So good.
Yes.
Parker
And everyone was like, why you like the guy who does the vocals is saying we're looking for a new singer. Everyone's like, okay, why? Like, what do you need? And then all of a sudden they come out with this crazy techno metalcore fusion and it just blew up overnight. They are an incredible band. They're some of their songs are a little,
Not safe. Well, they're safe for work, but they're double entendre, right? They have a lot of double entendre that my 11 year old son doesn't catch on to quite yet But But he loves the techno and he loves the metalcore and I'm dude dude if my kid likes heavy music Dude, I'm 100 % taking him to that show and exposing him to that
Dave Cravotta
Mm-hmm.
Travis
You
Jason Ziolo
They're so
ridiculous. They're so ridiculous.
Dave Cravotta
That'll be fun. What a good show.
Travis
Thank
Dave Cravotta
Yes, yes, go.
Steve
You get it. Yeah.
Yeah, you got to feed that.
Jason Ziolo
first time I heard electric cowboy, I remember I texted this group and I'm like, have you guys heard of this song yet? This is the best thing I've ever heard in my life. And you guys immediately were like, yeah, that's Eskimo cowboy. We know, where have you been, Zeo?
Parker
Yes.
Dave Cravotta
It works!
Parker
Yes.
Dave Cravotta
FANCIES ARISONS!
Steve
That's
right, ⁓ Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
That's so cool.
Parker
They are
a fun band. I say guilty pleasure because a lot of my hardcore musician friends that are deep in the heavier stuff like I am are like, oh, are like...
Steve
Parker- Parker- I'm sorry. You can't call fucking electric call boy a
guilty pleasure. A guilty pleasure is like fucking Whitney Houston. You know what I mean? You can't- You can't be like, electric call boy is my guilty pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. You know what I mean?
Jason Ziolo
You're gonna hurt me.
Dave Cravotta
Love Whitney Houston. He's a legend. He's a legend. My karaoke song is I Will Always Love You. Love Whitney Houston.
Parker
You're right, you're right, you're right.
You're right. You're right, but
I come from a group of people that are gatekeepers and every single metalhead that I know is a gatekeeper to some degree and I might fall into the elitist metal ⁓ category sometimes. But I love electric cowboy.
Steve
Jeff? No, you think?
Jason Ziolo
you just make it, Parker, just a little bit.
Dave Cravotta
Welcome. Yes,
I am there with you, sir.
Jason Ziolo
I have, we're going to see Des Rocks next Wednesday, which is, you've heard me talk about, and actually we had Evan J. Thomas talking about it. He was on the cover of Sound Fury Magazine. This is Elvis, Freddie Mercury, and Bruce Springsteen combined in the one. that puts a huge, like, this guy better be good. He's that good and even better. His music is a B. His stage persona is an A+++.
Steve
⁓
Dave Cravotta
Mm-hmm.
Jason Ziolo
Totally, totally cool. then I guess I'll end with this. And then a week from Saturday is Dance With the Dead. And that is our boy JT from Okaya who we interviewed last episode. And ⁓ you Chicago folks should absolutely come along. I know me and AJ are going. Joe's going. And we got to go support JT. He sent me pictures of his tour bus, video of him walking his tour bus yesterday. absolutely amazing. We'll just say that.
Steve
in here.
Jason Ziolo
I think it's a good time to stop guys. We covered a lot of material here. Thank you so very much for coming, especially you Travis and being a guest. 1000 % will have you back again. And you screw the people who had to leave us early.
Steve
Okay man,
it happens.
Parker
Yes, agreed.
Jason Ziolo
All right guys, be good to each other, see you on the floor. All right guys, that's the end of the episode. I think it went great.
Travis
Much appreciated. That was awesome.