Rock & Roll Hall of Fame Inductees 2026
Jason Ziolo
you gentlemen ready?
Reed
I am so ready to be angry. Let's do it.
Steve
Meet my sassy.
Chris
Do it.
Jason Ziolo
Hello everybody, welcome to episode four of season two of Rock Fan Radio. Today I got Parker, I got Steve, I got Chris, I got Reed with me, and Dave's supposed to be showing up, but he decided that he'd go out to dinner with family than hang out with us. yeah, he's kind of off the list now. Lots of stuff to talk about today. We're gonna go through current events, new stuff that's happening in the rock scene.
Steve
next time.
Jason Ziolo
Then we're going to talk about the nominations for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in 2026 a little bit. Today is February 26th, 2026. It's a Thursday night and we're going to go with it. So gentlemen, how things going? What's garnered your attention in the rock scene in the past couple of weeks since we last talked? We last had our podcast about two weeks ago.
Steve
I like that new Nothing More song. The cover for Nine Inch Nails is pretty good.
Jason Ziolo
The Niners to Nell
Throm. What song do they do?
Steve
It's, shoot. We're in this together now.
Jason Ziolo
Wearing this together, I saw them do that, like, you know how Octane has, Octane Sirius XM Octane, when they bring bands into the studio, one of their requirements is to do a cover song. So it's actually pretty fun. So whenever they bring a band in studio, they say you have to do a cover song. And I actually saw nothing more do that song, or I listened to it like four or five years ago. So I think it's fun that they just now released an official cover of it.
Steve
okay.
Yeah, they're pretty fun to live.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, they're one of those bands that's really, really good live. They've got that a lot of energy and then they put that bass on the like the bass rack and then all four of them get on the bass and just start pounding strings and all playing off one single instrument. Kind of neat stuff.
Steve
Yeah, it's.
Yeah, what they
call that? The claw or something? That's what they call it. Scorpion something.
Jason Ziolo
do they call it the claw or maybe it's a scorpion? or no, they also have this giant
like
They have a giant like rig that they have on the stage that Johnny Hawkins gets on. think that's his name, Johnny Hawkins gets on and they like basically have these props. They put on a really good live show.
Steve
Yeah, agreed.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, that Nine Inch Nails cover is pretty cool, but for me, they overdo it a little bit. Like it's a little too much going on where I think like Trent Reznor when Nine Inch Nails did it originally, it was more balanced and this one is kind of straight down your throat.
Chris
Yeah.
Steve
Yeah.
Reed
In other news of Nine Inch Nails covers, have you guys heard the In This Moment cover of Closer?
Jason Ziolo
I am not?
Steve
No.
Reed
⁓ don't.
Jason Ziolo
don't.
Steve
Do I honk?
Reed
I mean, there's some hotness to it because, you know, Maria Brink. And it's Maria Brink. But no, it's...
Steve
It's a girl singing?
Jason Ziolo
Yeah,
she's nice to look at.
Reed
That's one of
those songs though that's tough to cover. You just probably shouldn't.
Jason Ziolo
Parker, you have a Maria Brink story. I know we've talked about this in the past, right? Don't you have like a friend who played in a band with her and in this moment then eventually got kicked out? Do you know what I'm talking about?
Chris
Mm-hmm.
Parker
Yeah, he joined and left. I don't know how much I should share of that story, but ⁓ she's not the best of people I've heard.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah
So you knew somebody that ended up in a band with her, an earlier edition of In This Moment, and then eventually they changed whatnot. Was it in the Chicago area?
Reed
Lead Singer Syndrome.
Parker
Yes, yes, he was in the Chicago area. Just an acquaintance of an acquaintance really, but I heard through the grapevine that she is maybe yes. Yeah, that's that's probably the most politically correct we can be.
Jason Ziolo
hard to work with.
Steve
Ha ha.
Jason Ziolo
When did they release this cover? Reed, do you know?
Reed
I don't know. just I heard it while I was driving the other day on octane like a week ago. So I think it's relatively
Yeah, you should check it out.
Jason Ziolo
I'm gonna have to go check that out. So
one thing about this, new format here, something new we started doing last week is we actually put together a playlist, a companion playlist for our podcast here so that a lot of the songs that we go ahead and we talk about, we actually will go ahead and put it on the playlist so you guys can go check that out. It's all on our brand new website actually too. ⁓ Spent a little time this week revamping our website.
Go there. Check it out. Rockfanradio.com. It actually has content now unlike it did but did not before. And then you you can see more information about all of us. See some of our history, ages, the kind of stuff we're into, kind of shows we're into. And ⁓ yeah so we've kind of got all that up there and then we've got a companion playlist paired with every one of our episodes. So you can always go to Rockfan Radio and you can watch the episode there. Rockfanradio.com. Watch the episode there.
And then you can listen to the companion playlist right from the website. So we'll make sure we put that out.
Reed
So is In This Moment
Closer going to make the playlist? Yeah, you guys are in for a treat. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
I think it has to now.
Steve
I think they asked you, right? We talked about it.
Chris
⁓
Great job, Reed. Great job bringing it up.
Reed
I said sorry.
Jason Ziolo
You know what I've been really excited, not really excited about, but what I've been thinking about a lot over the past couple of weeks in terms of current events? You guys hear the new Foo Fighters song?
Steve
Half. Yes.
Chris
I'm not.
Parker
I have
not.
Jason Ziolo
I tour Foo Fighters, a new one, on an episode a couple last season. They're one of those bands that I am not happy with when I see live. I'm not gonna go into it. It's in a past podcast. And I've kinda been meh on the new music they've been putting out for the past couple years. But they put out this new song called, Your Favorite Toy. And I can't believe this. This is off their new album. It's the title track of their new album.
It is their 12th album. The fact that Foo Fighters has 12 albums absolutely blows my mind.
Reed
fact that Foo Fighters is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Soundgarden isn't blows my mind. Sorry, that's foreshadowing.
Steve
god damn it, Reed.
Jason Ziolo
Dave Grohl's in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, I think with Foo Fighters and with Nirvana. So yeah, we're gonna talk all about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame and if it's bullshit or not a little bit later. But anyways, his favorite toy track, it sounds unlike any Foo Fighters song I've ever heard before. ⁓ I'm not a fan of the last couple albums. The last album with Pretender on it was really good. That's like their last good album and they've kind of all been flops and mediocre since.
Reed
Yeah, yeah.
because it's good.
Jason Ziolo
So they put out this new album, they put the second single off the new album and it's actually sounds like nothing I've ever heard Foo Fighters do. It's noisy, it's garage rock, it's got like, it almost sounds like a stroke song to me. ⁓ Yeah, right?
Steve
It sounds good.
Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, that's a good analogy
right there. Yeah.
Reed
They lost me after White Limo. White Limo was like the crescendo and wasn't that on their first album?
Jason Ziolo
And
No, that was... it was not. It was a couple of albums in. Color and the Shape was their second album ever. It's one of my favorite albums ever. It's the one with Monkey Wrench. It's got Everlong on it. It's got My Hero on it. All the really, really songs that put Foo Fighters on the map. But this new album, I'm kind of excited about it.
Reed
or that I don't remember myself.
Jason Ziolo
Have you guys followed any of stuff about Josh Frees and the firing and everything that happened? Because I know Dave Grohl came out and started talking more about what actually happened because they're now, when Taylor Hawkins passed away, they brought on Josh Frees, who's like the biggest studio musician, rock musician there is. He's on everybody's, I talked about a lot of West podcast and they decided he wasn't a good fit.
Josh Frese broke the news and said, hey, you know, not really working for me. I'm going to go back to being a studio musician with every band on the planet. It's a better fit for me. And then Dave Grohl this week just came out and said that, you know, at the end of the day, it just, he was not a fan. I don't want to say fan. He was not a fanatic of the music and that wasn't going to be a good fit for us. So they moved on to this new drummer and we've got this song now, My Favorite Toy, your favorite toy.
Chris
Yeah, I think props to them for cutting it short. I mean, if the guy's a fit, great. If he's not a fit, let's find someone that is. I mean, he's never gonna be around forever. That guy hops around from project to project like nothing. So yeah, if it's not working, let's find someone else. And it sounds like they went to a whole different direction too. So don't know if he was a part of that song or not.
Jason Ziolo
So I'm.
Steve
Great.
Reed
Yeah, they picked up the old nine inch nails guy.
Jason Ziolo
So check it. I'm going try something new on
Rockfan Radio. We're actually going to play some music. I did a little research on this. And officially, if we're playing copyrighted music, we cannot play it, and it's going to get bounced. But I guess we have some kind of case if we're actually talking about the music and critiquing the music. And in cases, some of these AI platforms actually give you a little more wiggle room. So we're going to try it. We're going to play a little of the song, of all these songs, and see if we can get through the AI filters here.
This is your favorite toy and you can see it's real grungy. Grungy is not the right word. It's dirty. It's fuzzy. And Dave Grohl said that this is the noisiest song that they've ever written as a band, which I think is pretty cool. Dave's here.
Steve
Mmm.
Real fuzzy.
I believe that. Dave! Dave!
Jason Ziolo
All right, so this is a little tidbit of your favorite toy by Foo Fighters.
Steve
That's better.
Jason Ziolo
It's got like that four on the floor beat, like just down your throat. Real fuzzy, lots of noise. The shoe gazer in me loves it.
Steve
Yeah, I love the garage rock, man.
I fucking love this shit.
Jason Ziolo
And they got that slide guitar going too, that's so not Foo Fighters.
Alright, before we get bounced I'll stop playing it. So that's my big wing for the week. I'm pretty psyched about it. Foo Fighters are rolling through town. Not a big fan of seeing Foo Fighters live. But Queens of the Stone Age is opening and they are fucking amazing. So that might be happening.
Reed
That's more New Age.
Steve
Queen's is really good live.
Queen's is really good.
Jason Ziolo
and my cousin has been
all over me to go to that show.
Steve
Who is?
Chris
I will
Reed
Guess you're going to that show.
Chris
say Queens is playing a really stripped down kind of a set right now. It's a lot more mellow. ⁓ This past tour, I think they have a small kind of spring tour as well. ⁓ so just temper your enthusiasm, Jason, unless you like the mellow Queens.
Jason Ziolo
Really?
Yeah.
Steve
Really?
Reed
⁓
Jason Ziolo
Well, they did like, ⁓ they did a tour here at the Chicago Theater. They came through the Chicago Theater and they did like all acoustic alternate versions of their songs. And it started out because they did a show in like a cave, not a cave, like an old, there's a word for this. can't come up it. Catacombs, they're in the catacombs. What do know about that, Chris? Do know anything?
Chris
Yeah.
Yeah, catacombs.
Steve
I you went today.
Dave
Whoa.
Chris
Yeah, I mean I they played the show in France or something. I think they showed it online, you know afterwards ⁓ Cool, I mean props, you know for doing something different. ⁓ I like the rock side of Queens That's I think what most people like so, you know here and you know Josh try to be a crooner. It's not really my jam ⁓ But ⁓ you know, hey, he's doing something different. It keeps him happy. So I'll wait till the next tour
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, it's really cool. The catacombs thing I did, and I actually saw it come through town. I was actually on the local H Bulletin board and there were some folks that said like, have tickets if anybody wants to go. And I had the chance and I'm like, you know what? I'm not sure I'm gonna love this or not. So I'm waiting for the DVD and I'll check it out when it happens.
Reed
Sure that Catacombs is my most favorite poi dog pondering song of all time.
Steve
What was that Reed?
Jason Ziolo
Bye Noon!
Reed
You
Dave
So glad you're here, Reed. Who invited him?
Jason Ziolo
Hey, Reed, thanks.
Reed
No, you know what? Now I just want to see that show up on the show's playlist now too. You guys are about to get some 1990s Chicago grunge rock. They're not grunge. Folk rock? It's like... What? It's not light rock. There's gotta be... They gotta be in a genre. ⁓ no! God, no! They're like a jam band almost, but with...
Jason Ziolo
It's not grunge, it's like, like it's, what do you mean, call poi dog? It's like light rock.
Dave
it.
Jason Ziolo
No, actually I know nothing about it. Are they heavier?
Reed
lyrics.
Anyways, point out pondering catacombs. Great song. Check it out. It'll be on there. You're welcome.
Jason Ziolo
probably won't listen to that I gotta be honest with you.
Reed
I am ruining this playlist right now.
Chris
Wow, these first two songs are getting up to
a great start, Reed.
Steve
All right, so what's with the Hall of Fame? I wanna know about the Hall of Fame.
Reed
⁓
Jason Ziolo
talk about Don Broko first because I got more current events to talk about. Do you guys know anything about Don Broko?
Dave
Negative.
Reed
I have no
idea who that is.
Jason Ziolo
Have you heard of Don Brokow? Shame on all of you. Don Brokow is on my top five bands I wanna see live. And the reason I got into Don Brokow is because I heard how amazing they are live. Don Brokow is a band that is like rock, but then they throw in pop lyrics and pop choruses out of nowhere.
and it's all just all over the place and it's really freaking cool. It's on my running list when I go for runs outside.
Reed
⁓
Dude, is that on octane with Nickelback?
Jason Ziolo
That's where I'm going, baby!
Reed
⁓
Jason Ziolo
So the new Don Brokow song has Nickelback in it, which is funny because we were talking about Nickelback last episode and they're kind of like a last thing I expect to see with a band with an up-and-coming modern band like Don Brokow. But I guess they started building this new song and it's the title track from their album that's coming out on March 27th, Don Brokow. And they're like, let's get Nickelback to sing on this. And they reached out to Nickelback and it turns out that Chad Krueger
and Ryan Peek said, yeah, what the hell it's not. So Chad's singing on it and you can hear Ryan playing guitars and it's like actually a heavier song than I've ever heard from Don Brokaw but they are such a freaking cool band. Want to hear a song?
Dave
you
Reed
Yeah.
This song does kind of cook, but you're again, just going through your PC.
Jason Ziolo
You know, this isn't
my favorite Tan Broko song, I gotta be honest, but it does rock.
Reed
It's the best Don Brokaw song I've ever heard. But I've only heard this song, so...
Jason Ziolo
Well, I'm gonna educate
you.
So this screamy stuff is not like them. They're not very screamy bad, so.
You hear Chad Kroger coming in?
Reed
Chad Kroger is always coming in.
Jason Ziolo
This is classic Don Brokaw, is self.
Anyways, check it out. I'm a really big fan of it. That's all I got to say about that one.
Steve
Okay.
Jason Ziolo
Anyone else have any current events before we go to the Hall of Fame?
Parker
There's a couple new releases in the Heavy Metal world. They're dropping the name Error again. They just came out with another single this last week called I, the Many Names of God. It's pretty good. It's a lot heavier, I would say, than some of their other stuff, but they're kind of bringing it back home a little bit. It's really good.
Reed
No.
Ooh.
can't wait
for that album. It's gonna be so good.
Parker
Yeah, it should be out in a week or two, actually. Yeah, next Friday, I believe. I think it's March, yeah, I think it's next Friday. I think it's March 6th.
Reed
Yeah, next Friday, right? Right? Or two Fridays?
Dave
for tomorrow?
Steve
next Friday. I love New Release
Friday.
Dave
Listener's party.
Reed
Yeah, right?
Jason Ziolo
we could do that and this is like the only band we all can agree on too. We talk over text a lot right and it's like my god we actually found a band we all like.
Dave
This is real.
Yes. I bet there's some more overlap out there. I know, Jason, we were looking at some of the bands you were talking about liking that you put in the bio. Like you said Pink Floyd is one of your favorites. Like, oh yeah, they're like a Mount Rushmore band for me. Any other Floyd fans out here?
Steve
Yeah, they rock.
yeah, absolutely.
Reed
I mean, it's Pink Floyd. Can you not be a fan of Pink Floyd?
Chris
Yeah, yeah, like
Steve
Right.
Chris
Sabbath Metallica Zeppelin. Yeah
Jason Ziolo
So my question when I meet new people, and I actually pose this in business situations and it makes me people feel awkward, but I'm like, who's better Pink Floyd or Led's Up?
Reed
Glad Zeppelin.
Steve
What the fuck, Led Zeppelin?
Dave
Who's better?
Reed
Yeah,
bring it Dave, bring it. I see that. I see your your face of discontent
Steve
Come on, Dave, what do got? He can't decide.
Jason Ziolo
Maybe she's very-
Dave
Alright, So, David Gilmour's guitar playing is legendary. Jimmy Page, could argue it, but he's never been known as a... I don't want to say virtuoso, but the two of them play so different, but David Gilmour has so much feel in his music, and I would argue that Pink Floyd is anthemic. I know that's a word that you're kind of leaning on, Jason. just feel like Zeppelin is legendary in their own rights, but for...
don't want to call it a musician's musician, that's kind of cliche, but I feel like that's Floyd. People who really like Floyd are really into Floyd. I know some people who are into Zeppelin, but I don't know that it's to the same level, to the same depths, you know. You gotta, nobody owns one or two Floyd albums. You've got like six if you have any.
Steve
Yeah.
Reed
That's totally fair.
And they've got like this grateful dead following to them, right? Where like, it turns into almost like a cultist movement where Led Zeppelin has never had that kind of insanity with the following.
Steve
I don't know, I just, I don't know man. I don't know, I think they have their.
Dave
Yeah.
Steve
Each of those bands have their own thing, right? I mean, they're both legendary bands and it's the age old argument of which band is better. And I don't know if you can say that one is better than the other because they're so legendary. Both of them are.
Jason Ziolo
you can, i think it works better
Dave
yeah. What I think
Chris
Yeah.
Parker
No!
Dave
Robert plant is an exceptional vocalist but a substandard lyricist there are very few songs outside of some of their top ones that I'm like man that really spoke to me whereas you have entire Pink Floyd records that are from top to bottom just.
Parker
Thank
Steve
Led Zepplin 2,
Led Zepplin 2, are you fucking kidding me? That fucking album was like the coming of age fucking album for me. seriously, like, it's an amazing album. Yeah, Dave.
Dave
It's not the same level.
Reed
And since it was the coming of age album for Steve, Dave, you now have to like Led Zeppelin.
Dave
Yes. ⁓
Chris
Ha ha ha.
Jason Ziolo
Jesus,
Dave, don't you know I'm this as Steve?
Dave
I gotta plant my flag right? I'd say John Paul Jones was a better bass player and I would definitely take John Bonham.
Reed
John Bonham's top, he's, he's, he's.
Jason Ziolo
It's not fair, John Bonham, how good he was. he's so like, as I dig
into my drums more, because I'm learning drums right, or I'm past learning, I'm getting better at drums, Bonham, you don't understand until you are a drummer and realize how hard it is to do the things he's doing. And it just blows your fucking mind.
Reed
Dude, he's Mount Rushmore. He's one of the top four.
Dave
Yeah. No arguments.
Jason Ziolo
for sure.
Chris
Yeah, yeah Yeah,
I will say Dave ⁓ I'm in your camp now I never would have said this ten years ago 20 years ago. It's all about Led Zeppelin I probably won't listen to another zeppelin album. I've heard him so much at this point But Floyd I will go back to Floyd, you know, I'll probably continue to go back to it the older I get it's just that just that that mellow vibe I mean, it's just it's like the quintessential like rock vibe album
Steve
That's.
Chris
You can just put on, listen all the way through, multiple albums from them. Just so good. So good.
Steve
problem with Led Zeppelin is that they're overplayed on the radio. that's the difference, right? mean, Floyd, yeah, they have some radio play. I mean, obviously, they have some really strong radio play, right? But like, I feel like Led Zeppelin's catalog has just been overplayed on the radio over and over and over again.
Chris
Yeah.
Reed
Yeah.
Yeah.
Yeah, yeah. I
mean, they're one of the most iconic rock bands of all time. I mean, I have that same problem with Metallica. So you can't get away from Metallica for more than an hour until it's just rammed right back down your throat. And they were like my most, yeah, they were my most favorite rock band growing up in the 90s. But now it's like, God, I've heard this song 40,000 times today. All right, so guys, here's my question, because I can't place my fourth. Mount Rushmore of Drummers. I've got...
Dave
Yeah.
Chris
Oh yeah, I was gonna say the exact same thing. Yeah.
Steve
Right.
Chris
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Steve
Yeah.
Reed
I've got Bonham, obviously. I've got Buddy Rich, who if you don't know Buddy Rich, I got, yeah, just one of the, mean, the dude could do drum rolls with like one hand, he was insane. And then I got the Rev, but I cannot find where my fourth would be.
Dave
Mm-hmm. Phenomenal jazz player, yeah. Outrageous.
Yeah.
Danny Carey.
Chris
Ha
Steve
I'm gonna say Chad Sexton is pretty good for me.
Jason Ziolo
Dare I say Chad Smith of Chili Peppers.
Dave
Run.
He's on. Ted Smith's awesome. He's not in that same conversation, No.
Reed
He's not, yeah, he's not on the Mount Rushmore.
Jason Ziolo
You don't think so?
Parker
I would agree
with that. He's really good. And probably should be in a metal band, but like... I mean, that's how good he is! mean, like, switch up the chill... I mean, he's making a ton of money, I'm sure, but like... He's not.
Reed
No.
That would help, yeah.
Dave
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Kim Parker.
That's a topic
for another podcast. Mount Rushmore drummers and bass players and we'll go down the whole line.
Reed
It is. Yeah. All right.
Dave
Yeah.
yeah, yeah.
Steve
Mount Rochmore
Keith Moon. I mean, come on.
Jason Ziolo
Teeth
Moon, yeah, that's a good one too.
Chris
Yep. Neil Peart.
Yep.
Steve
Yeah, that's a good one too.
Jason Ziolo
and we got to
Reed
Portnoy?
Jason Ziolo
talk about
Reed
I could make an argument for Portnoy.
Jason Ziolo
the new Rush drummer, an Anna Anika something. Rush is retouring with a different drummer now, and it's a female, which is really cool.
Chris
yeah.
Dave
yeah.
Reed
I'm sure your wife is super excited about that.
Jason Ziolo
⁓ God, you know, you know, when people hate rush, they really hate rush.
Parker
You
Dave
They do, yeah. one more local thing before we transition to the topic of the hour. Today is Courtney LaPlante's birthday. I saw that read and I thought of you. Courtney LaPlante's birthday. I'm not gonna out-hurray.
Parker
Well, I got a couple more too. After you.
Jason Ziolo
or who's Courtney LaPlante?
Who is Courtney LaFaq?
Reed
Lead singer of
Spirit Box.
Jason Ziolo
⁓
Dave
Yeah, lead singer Spirit Box, clean and dirty vocals, seamlessly transitions between both. I feel like she's a vocal leader in the metalcore movement. Not just because she's a chick, because she's an incredible vocalist.
Reed
She is a freak of nature.
Steve
like spirit.
Jason Ziolo
She is a great
vocalist.
Reed
How old is she?
Dave
I said I wasn't gonna outer.
Reed
well it's going to be on the internet.
Dave
You know, Courtney,
you can come on the podcast anytime. We're not gonna out your age.
Reed
That's fine. Courtney, come
Parker
you
Reed
on, come on the podcast with us and tell us how old you are.
Steve
I
Jason Ziolo
favorite part of Spirit Box though is not Courtney LaPlante, it's their guitar player because he's a massive Wes Borland, guitar player of Limp Bizkit, most famously fan. And Wes Borland is a crazy guitar player and the Spirit Box guitar player is channeling him. And it's just a lot of, I don't want to call it noise, it's musical noise. It's insane.
Dave
You
Reed
It's
actually that whole band is kind of crazy talented. Like their drummer, A, looks like he's 12 years old, but he comes up with some of the craziest shit and it just looks like it's effortless for him.
Jason Ziolo
You know, it's funny you're talking about Spirit Box, not Limp Bizkit, right? Okay. Chris, when we saw Spirit Box open for Bring Me the Horizon in Vegas two years ago, I remember watching the drummer and going, this guy is just running a simple beat the whole time. And then I realized that most of his beats were with his feet. Like his double bass was just going to town. And so like you couldn't, it looked like he was doing nothing, but he was working his ass off below the waist, which I thought was cool.
Reed
Yeah, yes.
Chris
It's a joke there Jason appreciate that
Reed
I'm sorry, that's...
Jason Ziolo
That's right.
Dave
This is why we're here. Parker, you had some.
Parker
I got a couple more releases
in the Heavy World. Do you guys ever listen to Wage War? They just dropped a new single and it is insane. I will foreshadow a little bit with ⁓ whenever I'm past that Reigns to do I Guess I'm a Fan now. I'll foreshadow a little bit. It's gonna be I Guess I'm a Fan again because they were so good.
Reed
Yes.
Chris
yeah.
Dave
Heard
of them.
Parker
And then they had a couple of kind of downers. They were working with Jeremy from A Day to Remember, the band that teamed up with Marshmello out of nowhere to drop a ⁓ club song. Yeah. So I don't know if they're still working with it, but you should play a little bit of this song if you can. It's called Song of the Swamp and it's, it will blow your face off.
Steve
Cool.
Dave
yeah.
Reed
Yeah.
Chris
Mmm.
Steve
Okay.
Reed
Wage War is one of those like, I don't wanna say commercial, they're like Metal Core 101. Like here's your introduction to Dip Your Toe in the Metal Core and they're so good at what they do. That's a great, I love that.
Parker
it
Yeah.
They're good.
Jason Ziolo
They haven't really ever really like spoken to me. Like they're there. I know a couple of their songs, but nothing has caught my attention. Let's see us move forward.
Steve
The sounds of a swamp.
⁓ fuck, that'd be... That would not be good to listen to while I'm driving. ⁓
Dave
That had my attention.
Jason Ziolo
That's a good spot to play some riffs.
Alright, let's see if we can catch a chorus in here. it's still going!
Dave
Pretty good.
Reed
Okay.
Jason Ziolo
That's pretty heavy for them. I didn't realize they went that heavy.
Parker
It's
Reed
Yeah.
Parker
They their first couple albums dude were just smack you in the face and then they came out and did a little bit of the You know more chorusy stuff and then this releases everything I want it to be I'm so happy that this is what it is I was playing it expecting some sing-song chorusy stuff and it is back to what it was and That makes me very happy
Chris
Yeah.
Reed
You
Steve
No.
Jason Ziolo
Cool. That's awesome. Parker, you got some really cool news and you personally have some big news over the past two weeks. Your band has been releasing some stuff. Tell us a little bit.
Steve
Yeah.
Parker
Yeah, we just got a new single art called The Unforgiving Truth. Yeah, Pillars Band Official. That's our handle on pretty much every social media platform. I think actually, let me rephrase that, Facebook, Instagram, and TikTok, I think are the three that we use. We're a local Chicago band. Kind of that modern core vibe.
Jason Ziolo
Tell us about your band. Who are they? What's it called? I can learn more.
Parker
Kind of more gente, I guess you could say But we're all about like heavy grooves. We're not trying to play the fastest heavy grooves is is where we live at Yeah, and we just released a new song unforgiving truth. Unfortunately right now. We're only streaming on SoundCloud We're working on getting our music out everywhere, but ⁓ we're pretty excited to release this one. It's it's actually doing really well There's really so we're pretty excited
Reed
Hey, if we
play a little, will you copyright us out?
Parker
Absolutely. I need the money. I need the money for merch. ⁓ Of course not.
Steve
Yeah
Jason Ziolo
Only copyrighted stuff.
Reed
Right? Yeah, I mean, you got
to.
Dave
You
Jason Ziolo
Well here, let's do this. Let's play a little bit for people and see. This is outside of my wheelhouse, Parker. You are, listen to some of the heaviest shit of anyone I know.
Steve
Yeah,
I agree. Parker's deep in the metal.
Parker
I absolutely do.
Jason Ziolo
You are. So how do you describe this and tell us a little bit about what's happening and your record that's coming out. And tell us a story about the fan who reached out, because you told me that and that's really cool.
Reed
He's the scary guy you don't want to be in the pit with.
Parker
Shorts
Yeah,
Steve
Yeah.
Parker
yes, yes, I will get to that. Before we play it, I'll explain kind of the concept here a little bit. As we were going along here, we were kind of...
Jason Ziolo
just need it.
Steve
There you go, go ahead.
Jason Ziolo
This
is you, this is you playing guitar, right,
Parker
Yes, this is
us. Yeah. So as we were collecting our thoughts, we were like, who should we, you know, kind of inspire this music off of? And a bunch of different bands came to mind. And I had just gone to, ⁓ actually Sonic Temple this last year before we got really heavy into the music writing. And I had seen Bleed From Within.
And they were they're a really cool like groovier metalcore band. They're from Ireland of all places and it was like one of their first times over in America. ⁓ And then Era, Era and some of those jent bands. But but I'm honestly like I
Dave
Mm-hmm.
Parker
I've been playing guitar, but I'm nowhere near the level of some of these crazy dudes out there these days. So I'm like, why don't we just combine the cool aggression of metalcore and take some of the more groovier beats of some of these other like jent bands. And that's kind of where we live now. And that's kind of where the concept came up. And then we wrote a couple of songs and the album's called Crossing the Rubicon.
And it's kind of just, it's an album about sort of current events more along the lines of AI and kind of just a concept of, you know, crazy nuclear war, all that stuff, right? Like the just kind of playing off of tension and kind of writing a story about it. But yeah, that song in particular, a fan reached out to us.
Steve
Terminated.
Parker
And he kind of had a crazy story. was telling us he was actually like wanting to buy our music online and download it. And of course we don't sell it that way right now. And hopefully we will never do that. But, ⁓ you know, he said he had heart failure. He has some other mental issues.
Jason Ziolo
you
Parker
And you just looking to see if he could get away to get a physical copy of our music. And we started talking with him and we found out his dad had just passed away and he's kind of like living on his own and everything. you know, we, don't really have merch out or anything. And so we kind of are giving him our, our first prints and, we're going to cut a CD of what we have released currently right now, ⁓ just so he can listen to it.
Steve
sauce. ⁓
Parker
Because you know the SoundCloud stuff he was having trouble trying to connect to that and stuff so we're gonna give him a pure package and kind of give him some stuff and You know, hopefully, you know, we wish him and his family the best but just kind of a touching story and You know, I've been in the music world, but I've never really kind of seen it hit that hard Or come that personal with it and it's really cool really impactful kind of moment that we had with him
Steve
And now you have a plan for... ever.
Fuck yeah, dude.
Jason Ziolo
So
one of the neat things I found about the internet, even with this podcast, I've had people reach out to us and me or us the podcast, but I'm the one reading it and say, you know, I'm a fan. really like what you're doing. And it's like, wow, if I can even just touch one person, it kind of makes it all worth it. Right. And I'm happy for you. That's that's friggin exciting. And I can't even imagine being one of these huge bands that are, you know, you know.
Parker
Absolutely.
Yeah, thank you.
Steve
Yeah,
that's awesome.
Jason Ziolo
making an impact on millions of people. can't imagine what that feels like because even just one or two people makes all the difference in the world. And it motivates you to keep creating, keep producing, keep on inventing more music.
Parker
Absolutely, you know the the last thing here the funny thing is He was he's such an awesome dude. He sent us like a video Because I think he has trouble typing but but he goes man. I just I just want to play this loud music Hopefully my neighbors don't get upset cuz you know, they like country, but I hate country. I don't want to play country I'm a metalhead. I love it ⁓
Steve
Hey man, I listen to country a little bit here and there.
I don't mind it.
Parker
It's not the Jotter, it's funny that he sent us that video saying, I wanna listen to metal and my neighbors can deal with it type deal. was funny. He's true metalhead. Yeah.
Steve
Yeah, exactly. Like, I play my fucking music loud and if people don't like
it, they can suck it.
Chris
you
Jason Ziolo
Any other current events, gentlemen? All right, let's move on to the top of the hour, which is the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. But before we do that, I gotta piss real bad. Go right through your beards, people. We'll come right back.
Reed
god.
Steve
I gotta ⁓ get more beers.
Parker
You gotta leave that in the podcast, mean it only makes
sense
Chris
wow, wow.
Reed
⁓ wow,
wow.
Dave
I do want to say, Reed, love your sweatshirt tonight. I need to get one of those. Way to wrap. Yeah. And apparently, now there needs to be some Pillars merch. You gotta send out the... Yeah.
Reed
Thanks, man.
Chris
Yeah, Parker's pissed.
Parker
I will send
Reed
That's what I was about to say.
Parker
them out to y'all. Yeah, for sure. I mean, we were on the edge of the cliff about to click the order and we just didn't do it. And then we got that message just the other day and we're like, oh, we got to get some merch. Even if we're just giving it out to people, just to do that.
Reed
Yeah,
then you could go Lars Ulrich when you guys get big and then sue everybody for getting free shit. know, like they did with Kill'em All back
Parker
⁓
man dude I hate Lars for that I hate Lars for the the what did he kill what was that thing he killed yeah all the Napster stuff dude
Reed
Ugh.
Dave
Napster.
Reed
Napster.
Douchebag. Raging douchebag. And he sucks at drums! Like, that's the thing, dude. If you're gonna be a dick, be good at what you do. Right?
Parker
Yeah, I agree.
my god, I know right like Come on If anyone puts him on their Mount Rushmore of their drummers, I just think they should be booted from the podcast
Dave
Did you hear that? You know what?
Reed
No, if you put laws of Earlwork in the conversation of the top 100, you don't.
Chris
I will say I think he's good for Metallica though. I don't think he's a great drummer obviously, but it allows the guitar to really shine like those riffs. mean sometimes you get lost when you have all the double bass and all of that. ⁓ It really elevates the riff I think.
Jason Ziolo
for
Reed
Yeah.
Yeah.
but he's always behind the beat and it's so frustrating.
Jason Ziolo
you
Parker
man,
you guys should google like James Hetfield getting mad at Lars for being off tempo in rehearsal and there's hundreds of videos. It's hilarious, like he's shouting at him. mean, just like, just James, James Hetfield hating on Lars videos are phenomenal. But man.
Chris
Ha ha ha ha.
That's great.
Steve
Well, what about their fucking,
event in Vegas? Who's going to that?
Dave
Hello, sphere.
Reed
The sphere?
Parker
at this
here?
Chris
Yeah, I was gonna bring it up, but
yeah, it looks awesome. It looks phenomenal.
Steve
It looks really cool. My buddy that I went to the 2017 show in Chicago and what was the other one in 2023 I think it was when we went back to Metallica. I could be misquoting that. But he was at both of those shows and he sent me a text today. He's like, we going to Vegas? Did you see this sphere thing? I'm like, no.
Jason Ziolo
I wanna go, I'm a little cash strapped right now, but I wanna go. I went and saw U2 at the Sphere and it was mind blowing, life altering, top three show immediately and I don't even like U2.
Parker
I was gonna say I'm not a fan of you two and I didn't think you were either. That's crazy.
Jason Ziolo
not and then I went to
the Eagles man and I'm definitely not a fan of the Eagles and it blew my brain a second time and so going to see music I actually want to see Metallica at the Sphere I feel like it's a requirement but it's gonna be it's gonna be so expensive and tickets go on sale tomorrow I bet I end up going but it's gonna be amazing we should all
Dave
yeah.
Steve
Yay.
Thank
Dave
It's an expensive commitment, yeah.
Steve
Don't do it, Jason.
Don't do it.
Jason Ziolo
Come on, Steve, let's go, come with me, man. Actually, Metallica's exciting, but when Tool comes to the sphere, it's when I absolutely have to go. Tool will be at the end.
Parker
Guys
Steve
You know, Jess is working at the table right over here. She can hear what you're saying.
Parker
man.
Dave
I'd be much more likely to go to Tool. And if I can't, there's a speech and voice conference every year in February. So if I could wrap those two together, go to the conference and then I get paid to be out there and paid to stay there and then I could just go to the show and that's on my dime, that's a little easier to swallow.
Steve
my God, if Tool did that.
Chris
Mm-hmm.
Steve
Fuck you
Dave.
Parker
Is it
wrong of me to say I've seen Metallica twice and that's enough for me?
Jason Ziolo
I guess my question is you've only seen Metallica twice? I feel like I've seen them like eight times because they just don't show up.
Dave
I've never seen-
Parker
Yeah
I feel like it's
one too many times too, actually.
Chris
Wow, wow, okay.
I will say, know, James is getting older. I mean, you can definitely tell these last few years has done a number on his voice. It's not the same. They're taking breaks constantly. It's, it is definitely different.
Parker
Yes, yeah.
Steve
Yeah.
Parker
It's well, yeah, that's fair. I mean, I just like to bring back what Reed said. Like, I just feel like I hear those songs constantly and like to hear them live, didn't do anything. didn't like it didn't elevate the moment. And I guess I've always been more of a a Megadeth fan than Metallica anyway. So yeah, yeah. So, you know, I don't know, but I just.
Dave
I am too.
Parker
I needed to it out loud.
Steve
loved them both for very long time.
Reed
To all of our listeners out
Jason Ziolo
All right, guys.
Reed
there, blood of the unicorn, if you're ever in the Chicagoland area, is by far the greatest beer ever made. So shout out to Pipeworks. Pipeworks, if you wanna come on the podcast.
Jason Ziolo
I'm drinking the same right now and it's amazing.
Dave
think
I had some at your place, Jason.
Jason Ziolo
Yeah, if you've come to my house, I probably put a blood of the unicorn in you. So. All right, gentlemen, let's get to the topic of the hour, because we've been chatting a lot here. Let's talk about the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominations that I believe got announced today. If it's not today, it was yesterday. But it's pretty new here. And the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has some controversy around it, right?
Dave
think you did.
Steve
Yeah, it's happened.
Parker
Ahem.
Steve
I gotta look this.
Reed
I'm not looking forward to this.
Jason Ziolo
because there's a lot of musical acts, entertainment groups that get nominated for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame that I would not classify as rock and roll. Right? And so, however, that's rock and roll hall fame is more about music and music that is bleeding edge rather than rock and roll. And it's almost like they should have changed this at one point. The only rule to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is you have to be
be a band or an act for 25 years. That's the only rule. So that's the 25 years. And then to be inducted, the official line is they have to show musical excellence, impact, and influence. There are no restrictions on genre. And hence, because of that, you're going to see hip hop, rap, pop acts end up in the rock and roll Hall of Fame inductions.
Steve
That's the only role, period?
Reed
Whitney Houston
Jason Ziolo
What's that?
Reed
and Whitney Houston.
Jason Ziolo
And Whitney Houston. The official position by the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is quote unquote, Rock and Roll is a spirit, not a genre. And that spirit includes R &B, soul, hip hop, and pop because they share the same DNA. So how do they, it's questionable, but like, we can argue about this all day.
Dave
⁓
Jason Ziolo
But I feel like as long as we define what it is and follow that guidance, I'm okay letting hip hop and R &B acts in. It's just, we gotta know this isn't really about rock and roll anymore.
Reed
Yeah, why don't they just rename it though? I feel like there'd be so much less anger if it was just the Music Hall of Fame. You know what saying?
Steve
Yeah, I kinda agree
with Reed here.
Dave
I feel like the rock and roll is a spirit thing. if we get it, I'll wait. Go ahead, Jason. Carry on.
Reed
It's easy.
Jason Ziolo
So.
No, it's good stuff. So Jan Wenner, Jan Wenner is the founder of Rolling Stone, Rolling Stone magazine, right? He actually led this when it started in 1986 and he had a strong, strong preference for rock acts over pop artists. So back in the day, used to be all rock acts. Well, what happened was Jan Wenner eventually got pushed, don't know if he got pushed out or he left or whatever.
He got replaced by the head of VH1, which is John Sykes. And when John Sykes came in, he's like, you know what? I think I'm going to open this up to more than just rock and roll artists. So when that leadership change happened, that's when we saw these new acts starting to come in. So we're going to go through, let's talk a little bit about these different acts. Question might be, how did these acts get nominated in the first place? So the way the process works is,
There are 1200 people they send nomination tablets, votes, what would you call it? Polls? I don't know. But they ask 1200 people, most of them being from the music industry, a lot of them are past Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductees, and they are told vote up to five nominees. There's no criteria except for what I just explained. Who do you think these five people should be?
They vote for up to five minutes. There's no right in candidates. So somehow they come up with a list and say, pick from this list. I don't know anything about that. How about that happens? And they also do break it by genres. So there's a hip hop genre. There's a rock pioneer. There's a progressive rock genre. So they give equal time to things, which is kind of cool. Then they have this kind of secret, secret ballot and they vote on it.
There is a fan concept to voting on the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame nominees. So you can go to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame website. You can vote for your votes based on what you want. But here's the kicker. It is kind of all bullshit. It is the fan votes. They tabulate everything that the fans do and they give them one vote out of 1200. So...
Dave
Hmm.
Jason Ziolo
Literally, the fans all tabulate to one vote on top of all the 1,200 people you have. So it's just a marketing scheme. You really have no say in this. It's bullshit, which is kind of a bummer. But that's OK. In the past, the number one vote getter from the fan side usually ends up getting nominated. But there has been some notable changes in 2020.
Steve
on.
Jason Ziolo
Dave Matthews band was the fan vote and they did not get a nomination. And then last year, Phish, the hippie band, got by far the fan vote and they did not get a nomination either. So at the end of the day, this really comes down to those 1,200 people they ask, who do they think are the people who should be nominated in? Kind of sucks, right?
Dave
Mm-hmm.
Steve
out.
Dave
Mm-hmm.
Really.
Reed
Mm-hmm.
Steve
Yeah,
I'm looking at the list now. I, ⁓ shit! Why?! Fuck!
Jason Ziolo
No, you're not supposed to look at the list! Don't look
Dave
Hahaha
Jason Ziolo
at the list, Steve!
Steve
Look at that!
Jason Ziolo
Well, what I wanted to do was I was going to go down this list because you guys, Dave, I know you don't know the list. Steve, you weren't supposed to know the list. Parker, you don't know the list. doesn't know the list. Chris looked at the list, but we're going to give him a pass. I'm going to try and describe who this artist is, and I'm going to give you guys a shot to guess who got nominated based on my description. Remembering these are not all rock band. So you guys, I'm going start out with an easy one. They're going to get much harder than this. OK?
Steve
Ow!
Alright, I closed the window.
Reed
This is going to make me so angry.
Jason Ziolo
So just shout them out. Okay, the first nomination, okay. First of all, they were nominated last year and they did not get inducted. So this is their second nomination. They're a Southern blues rock and hard rock band called a revivalist band from the 70s playing 70s rock with a swagger of Rolling Stone and Faces, often described as the most rock and roll band of their era. Their first album came out in 1990.
Dave
You too.
Reed
list.
Jason Ziolo
and I heard their brand new single on the radio last week.
Reed
pros?
Dave
That's who I was thinking. Yeah, black coast.
Steve
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
That's exactly right, Black Crows.
Reed
Really? They're
Jason Ziolo
Yes.
Reed
not in?
Jason Ziolo
They are not in. They are nominated this year.
Steve
Great.
Reed
Okay, here we go.
Jason Ziolo
I think a very
Steve
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
worthwhile nomination, if you ask me. Great band.
Steve
Absolutely. Well, think
Reid's just angry that they're not in yet, right?
Reed
I just,
mm, okay. All right, let me pick up my, yeah, I know, I know.
Dave
And Chris Robinson's an awesome vote.
Chris
There's a lot of bands that aren't in, Reed. Just wait.
Jason Ziolo
There's a lot of bands that are.
Steve
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
All right, you guys are one for one. This next one is going to go to a totally different direction. This person, it's a person, I'll give you that. It's a solo pop artist. OK? This person was nominated in 2024, 2025, and now in 2026 again. They're one of the defining voices, defining voices of 90s pop and R &B. Five octave range.
Reed
Very exclusive.
Jason Ziolo
and mastery of the whistle register. You know, the whistle register really, what? Very good. Mariah Carey.
Reed
I carry
Dave
Mariah Carey. Mariah Carey. Rock and
Steve
Alright, Gary.
Reed
Mariah Carey, yeah.
Dave
roll Mariah Carey. Hell no.
Reed
Again, music,
hall of fame. She's, I could make the argument she deserves to be in there. She's one of the highest selling, I...
Steve
music you gotta think music Dave
Dave
Pop Star Hall of Fame shirt.
Steve
Dude, the Christmas
album. I mean, come on.
Jason Ziolo
Right, every Christmas out right there.
Reed
Right? Yeah.
Steve
I mean right there. She wins. There she goes.
Dave
That is not in the spirit of rock and roll if I may be so bold Thank you appreciate your affirmation
Reed
No shit.
Steve
I'm sorry.
Jason Ziolo
think
though that Mariah Carey is a legend. deserves the honor. I just don't like the rock and roll type.
Steve
Yeah, agreed.
Dave
I agree.
Reed
Yeah,
Steve
Yeah,
I mean, she was in the Spank Bank for a long time. Yeah.
Reed
again, the Music Hall of Fame would be so much better. And you have to exclude country though, because they already have their own Hall of Fame. So I feel like anything other than Country Hall of Fame.
Dave
Yep. Yep.
That's right.
Parker
Yes,
make a pop one
Steve
Grrrr
Reed
Yeah, well, yeah, but then you can't sell tickets.
Jason Ziolo
Let's go to the next one. Okay, next one. Let's see if we can guess it. This person, this is their first nomination. However, they are already a member of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for another band that they played with.
Dave
Here's the rub.
Parker
Yeah.
Reed
Dave Grohl's shit.
Jason Ziolo
called Pop Rock,
Parker
Ahem.
Jason Ziolo
Soft Rock, or Adult Contemporary. As a solo artist, this artist took the progressive rock foundation of this band that's already in the Rock and Roll Hall fame and applied it to a polished, emotionally direct pop songs that dominated radio in the 80s.
Dave
Phil Collins.
Steve
Go Talons!
Jason Ziolo
Very good. You guys didn't look at the list? So Phil Collins is the correct answer. The question is, what he did was mostly with Genesis, who's already in the rock and roll hall of fame. Does he deserve to be in the rock and roll hall of fame as a solo artist? He doesn't have a lot of hits, but he is legendary.
Dave
No, I did not. Just be- I thought that's it. Yeah.
Steve
No.
Thank
Dave
Thank
Reed
No, the answer's
Steve
In here tonight, man, I mean, come on.
Reed
no, the answer's no. No.
Dave
His hits are iconic.
Chris
I feel like he does
have a lot of hits, doesn't he? No? Yeah. Yeah, they're huge.
Steve
think he does.
Dave
His hits are big. mean, yeah, coming in the air tonight is huge. No, that's him, I think.
Steve
When he hits, he hits big.
Reed
In the air tonight, is that him or is that Genesis? I guess I don't know.
That's him? Oh, put him in. Shit. Just that song alone would put me in. Yeah. That's a legendary track right there. Legendary.
Chris
Yeah, it's him, yeah.
Steve
Yeah, in the air tonight, that's just him. Phil Collins, yeah.
Legendary.
Jason Ziolo
In 1985 for Live Aid, he's the only artist to perform on two different stages. One is a solo artist, one with Genesis. Pretty cool.
Dave
cool.
Steve
All same.
Jason Ziolo
Groovy. All right, let's give you an easier one here. Well, you guys aren't having any problem with these. actually, bullshit. Let's give you a hard one. All right. First time nominated is 2026. Raw blues influenced rock singer songwriter in the tradition of Springsteen and Janis Joplin. Her guitar-driven sound and confessional lyrics were a counterpoint to the polished pop of the early 90s.
Chris
There's some hard ones, Jason, yeah.
Reed
Please let it be Technotronic. Please let it be.
Jason Ziolo
She recorded in 1988 and she's been eligible since 2013. This is gonna be a hard one. You guys, no, but you should come to my window and tell me.
Steve
There we go.
Dave
Oni Defranco?
Melissa Etheridge. Well played. Well played. come to my window.
Reed
⁓ yeah, there you go.
Jason Ziolo
Here we go! Melissa Asher. Very good. She's also
Steve
Really?
Jason Ziolo
a breast cancer survivor, a Grammy winner, and an Oscar winner, which is pretty freaking cool.
Dave
Yeah,
Reed
And a badass,
by the way, she's...
Dave
I would not dispute that. I'm good with that induction. She gets it. Yep.
Reed
Yeah, toss her in there.
Steve
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
She also
played Bill Clinton's inauguration as a queer icon.
Dave
And that was in the, that was 92 when it was not very cool to be queer.
Steve
That was back in the day.
Jason Ziolo
Yes.
Steve
I remember that. ⁓
Dave
Yeah, yep,
that's rock and roll.
Jason Ziolo
You want to go completely un-rock and roll? Let's do this one. First nomination was in 2026, R &B in soul. This person was a premier smooth soul vocalist of his era. With 11 consecutive platinum albums, he became a synonymous with romantic ballads and vocal excellence. You guys are never guessing this. Influencing virtually every R &B male vocalist who came after him.
Dave
Yes.
Steve
Yeah
Dave
think I know this one.
Reed
Luther Vandross.
Jason Ziolo
He recorded from
1981 through 2003. His debut was called Never Too Much, and he passed away in 2005.
Chris
And some people say he's also gay. ⁓
Reed
It's not.
Jason Ziolo
This is not a rock
album by any means.
Dave
80s and 90s you said?
Jason Ziolo
Yes.
Steve
See you.
Jason Ziolo
He
Reed
Undergrass?
Jason Ziolo
sold over
40 million albums and won eight Grammys, guys, come on.
Steve
Yeah, I mean, we're going to know it as soon as we're here.
Dave
this.
Chris
I think Reed said it earlier.
Reed
Is it Luther Vandross?
Jason Ziolo
This was Thervendros! Nice work, Reed! Nice gun! I know nothing about him. How do know anything about that guy?
Steve
Ha ha ha ha!
Dave
Well done, Reed.
Reed
He's legendary.
Jason Ziolo
Okay, okay.
Chris
Yeah,
yeah, I think he's one of those guys like I think he was gay I don't know if he ever came out but I remember hearing that people said he was gay even though he was singing all these like love songs and it's responsible for thousands and thousands upon babies of being made but yeah, I think he also Yeah
Parker
you
Steve
John has given him.
Dave
Oh, he was. He was thinking about a dude.
Reed
Yeah, dude,
like he was a huge inspiration for guys like Keith Sweat and like that whole like, crap. I'm not prepared for this at all because I can't pull off my Luther Vandross data, you know?
Jason Ziolo
you
You didn't be a street sweeper with your band drop?
Dave
That was a point, yes.
Steve
You weren't supposed to be prepared.
Dave
Genuine article.
Jason Ziolo
Okay, here's the next one. Let's go. This band is a classic rock heavy metal band. They were nominated in 2021, 2023, and now in 2026. God damn it, that's nicely done. That's exactly who it was.
Chris
All right, Jason.
Reed
Iron Maiden.
Steve
Iron Maid.
Reed
Iron Man.
Chris
You
Reed
Dude,
they've been nominated for like a damn decade and they've never gotten in and it's iron fucking made.
Dave
Yeah.
Steve
They have been. mean, it's it's.
Dave
Yeah,
Steve
It's iron
Dave
yeah,
Steve
fucking made.
Chris
Yeah.
Dave
book them. Done.
Jason Ziolo
100 million records sold by an iron maiden. Yes.
Dave
⁓
Reed
Are
you serious? That's insane.
Steve
It's unbelievable,
Dave
And they're still playing and headlining.
Reed
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Bruce Dickinson, the lead singer, and this might be part of the problem, but he has called out the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame numerous times for saying it's quote unquote, an utter and complete load of bullocks.
Dave
Yes.
Steve
Well, I mean.
Reed
You know what though?
But wait though, didn't Tom Morello like talk about how bullshit this all was? And then they rage finally made it in and he's like, I love this. It's like, all right, Tom, you can't be against it and for it at the same time, bro.
Jason Ziolo
I'm
Steve
But you can rage against the machine raid. You can.
Reed
You can rage against
the machine all night long. All night long. All night. All night long.
Steve
Damn it. I hope
you're getting all these songs, Jason, because it's deep in this one.
Jason Ziolo
Oh, hey, hey, hey.
Chris
No. ⁓
Dave
Reid has his own playlist.
Jason Ziolo
All right, people want to get want to get more obscurity. We're going to about go to the territory. This is Luther Vandross territory that I don't know anything about. But they're not Luther Vandross. OK, let's try this one. John, first nomination ever was in twenty twenty six. John R. B. knew Jack Swing, which I don't know how that means, and Pop formed in Boston in 1978. This band built the
Blueprint for modern boy band long before the term existed. The blend of vocal harmony, choreography, and individual personality shaped everything from New Kids on the Block to NSYNC to BTS. Their recording career went from 1983 to president with their debut being Candy Girl in 1983. Dude, I don't know anything about this band.
Dave
Good God, no.
Reed
In sync.
What's it?
Dave
thought the Monkees
were like the original boy band put together specifically for female eyes kind of thing.
Reed
What, what
Steve
Yeah, but
what other band in there in the 90s were there besides In Sink and Backstreet Boys?
Reed
is it?
Give me a song track. Do they got a song track?
Chris
I can
give him a hint, Jason, if you want, since I already know. So one of the guys went on to ton of fame in the 90s, both positive and negative. He, great guess, no, no.
Dave
Yeah, can you give us a hand? Yeah, yeah. Help us out.
Reed
Yeah, let's do it.
Jason Ziolo
Do it. Do it.
Steve
Yeah, yeah, him.
Reed
Wham!
Dave
That's it. Wham, this is George
Michael. good call Reed. Carry on Chris.
Jason Ziolo
Wham.
Reed
Damn it!
Chris
But yeah, no, the guy, he wants to have it his way. He wants to have his prerogative.
Reed
That's my prerogative. that's a Britney Spears song.
Dave
Bobby Brown? ⁓ wait,
Steve
That's my
prerogative.
Dave
Black Street?
Jason Ziolo
This isn't enough to
help me either, Chris. I know nothing about these guys.
Chris
No, Dave
had it. Dave knows the guy, but do know the band that he was in?
Reed
Who's the guy that Dave?
Dave
the- the-
Jason Ziolo
Who's the guy?
Dave
⁓ the-
Chris
Bobby Brown, yeah.
Steve
⁓
Jason Ziolo
in that
band? It actually, my notes here mention members went on to individual stardom. I didn't notice it. Bobby Brown, Johnny Gil, Belle Biv DeVoe was in this band?
Chris
Yep. Yep.
Yep.
Reed
⁓
Dave
I'm gonna hear
it and I'm gonna go, yep. ⁓
Chris
Yeah, it was like the biggest
supergroup of all the boy bands. I mean like they went on to tons of acclaim
Reed
Yeah, like, before
boy bands were a thing.
Dave
can't think of an ambit.
Jason Ziolo
Chris, give it to us.
Chris
New Edition!
Dave
Yes!
Jason Ziolo
rap.
Yeah, I don't know anything about that. We gotta put them on the playlist. I'm gonna rock out to new edition.
Reed
What the hell?
Dave
Rock and roll.
Parker
That is the first time I've heard of that band name. Completely. I don't know what you just said.
Reed
Wasn't New Edition inspired by Luther Vandross?
Chris
Yeah, candy girl.
Steve
What?
Chris
Mr. Telephone Man.
Steve
Parker, you're too young,
Chris
Ha
Reed
Was a new edition inspired by Luther Vandross? Seriously though. Like, wasn't Luther Vandross one of their inspirations?
Dave
outstanding.
Steve
Yeah. They got nominated in the same year,
Chris
I mean, it's soulful. Yeah, I think you make that argument.
Jason Ziolo
No idea.
Dave
my knowledge of new addition has already been. I've already hit my limit. Yep.
Reed
That's it? You're at the end of it?
Steve
Yeah.
Chris
Yeah, that's about
Steve
Next.
Chris
all I know to Dave.
Jason Ziolo
We're gonna
keep going here. Here's what you will know and this is not rock and roll. Okay? First time being nominated, Latin pop and rock music. No, world music. A Colombian artist who spent 35 years shape-shifting Latin pop, rock, Middle Eastern influences and global pop. Her ability to culture and language is arguably the most significant achievement. She started in 91 with her debut, Magia.
Dave
Well done. You guys, well done.
Parker
Thank
Dave
What do we do?
secure?
Steve
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
and she's been eligible since 2016.
Dave
This is Shakira.
Jason Ziolo
Shakira! Yes, her hips don't lie. My daughter loves Shakira, so she deserves that nomination. Cool. All right, this one, I saw this artist when I went to Vegas about two years ago. They were not at the Sphere. This is their second nomination in 2026 after 2025.
Steve
Yeah! Woo!
Reed
hips should
be in the Hall of Fame.
Parker
Hahaha!
Jason Ziolo
New Wave, Punk and Hard Rock. I struggle with that punk definition. This artist emerged from British punk scene with Generation X before going solo and blending punk attitude with arena ready hard rock and new wave synths. It's a good description of this actually. He defined 80s rock aesthetic, 1977 all the way to current. He's been eligible since 2003.
A genuine rock and roll figure. Blending R &B and pop and rock and roll.
He's in an Adam Sandler movie. How's that for a hint? It's not Bad Bunny.
Reed
Ricky Martin?
Parker
Is just a dude?
Jason Ziolo
You might say he sees eyes without a face.
Reed
You might say that, but I don't say that.
Dave
You
Jason Ziolo
He likes to moany moany?
Chris
Rock the cradle.
Dave
Billy
Idol? No.
Jason Ziolo
Billy Idol! That's the right answer.
Reed
Pilly Idol's not in the Hall of Fame?
Steve
was in that man.
Jason Ziolo
He should be though, cause
he's a fucking legend.
Dave
Mm-hmm. Yeah, he seems very rock and roll.
Reed
Yeah, I mean you talk about trans-
Yeah, like transformative to a music scene. That's- That's bizarre.
Steve
This is bullshit.
Chris
Yeah, he personifies rock and roll. Like that snarl.
Jason Ziolo
Mm-hmm.
Dave
Yes. Then said by Chris.
Steve
I'm gonna take a piss. This
is pissing me off. What the fuck?
Dave
Ding.
Jason Ziolo
That's a good one. Billy Idol's got my vote. And the fact that he was nominated last year and didn't get in, he belongs to get in this year.
Dave
Yeah.
Reed
He does,
he belongs in the Hall of Fame.
Parker
Yeah.
Dave
What band was
he in before he went solo?
Reed
in sync.
Jason Ziolo
I don't think, I'm not sure he was in a band. He was in a Jewish, was he in a band?
Dave
New Edition!
Chris
Yeah, he was. Yeah, he was in a band.
Reed
You
Chris
Yeah, he was. I don't know the name, but...
Dave
I thought you said that.
Reed
He was the bass player.
Dave
the end of the show. Screw this I'm a front man doing my own thing.
Jason Ziolo
He was in a band called Generation X, a punk rock band in London, 1976, as the lead vocalist. They disbanded in 1981, which is when he went solo.
Dave
worked out alright for him.
Jason Ziolo
Yet did.
Reed
New York dolls get in yet?
Jason Ziolo
No. Okay, next one, another band I know nothing about, but I know they're a very, very, very impactful band to the scene. They've been nominated 2023, 2025 and 2026. The genre is post-punk, synth pop and dance rock. They pioneered the dark atmospheric post-punk sound of the late 70s.
Steve
You
Jason Ziolo
After the Ian Curtis, who is a member of the band, his death, the remaining members became a different band and they're actually inducting both these bands, the original band and this new band together and helped invent the electronic dance rock hybrid that shaped everything from the Cure to modern indie. And now the Cure is one of my least favorite bands. I should put that in my bio on the website.
Reed
That's a mistake, but okay, keep going.
Steve
DRAG DRAG!
Jason Ziolo
I'm not expecting
any of guys to know this synthwave stuff. Any ideas, any guesses?
Reed
Whatever.
Steve
Durand,
durand.
Dave
Eskimo Callboy.
Parker
Hahaha!
Jason Ziolo
Joy Division, which turned into New Order. Again, I don't know much about those guys.
Reed
⁓ well,
Steve
Learn.
Dave
Never would have gotten that.
Reed
okay, all right.
Parker
That's a great
poll.
Steve
There it is.
Jason Ziolo
Okay,
here's an easy one for you. Here's an easy one for you. Chris, you better get this one. Okay? This band's been nominated for the past three years and they keep getting snubbed. Okay? A defining band of the 90s. Brit pop, massive anthemic guitars, working class swagger, and one of the biggest rock bands in British history. Some may say they're bigger than the Beatles. That's an obvious
Chris
I've got them all,
Reed
No pressure.
Dave
Mmm.
Chris
So, see you
Reed
these spears?
Jason Ziolo
The lead singer said he's bigger than the Beatles. Oasis.
Parker
⁓ Oasis.
Reed
No, they don't, no, no, no, no.
Dave
⁓ really? ⁓
Jason Ziolo
Chris, tell
us about your trip to... You went out, you went to England to go see the Oasis show, didn't you? Tell us a little bit about it.
Dave
I would say yes!
Chris
Yeah, so my wife as a kid that was her band She listened to him all the time knew all the words all that stuff So she always said hey if they ever get back together, we're gonna go see them and we're gonna see them in England I said, okay, great. Yeah, no problem been saying this charade for like 20 years never thought it would actually happen and Lo and behold it did happen. So I had to not only pony up for the tickets. I actually get tickets like getting the tickets. I mean
I didn't realize how hard it would be. Got super lucky. I was online for probably two hours trying to get tickets. And yeah, we got them. And it was phenomenal. Phenomenal show. The crowd was just crazy. I mean, it was like you were going to like...
You know, was gonna say a funeral for someone that like everyone loves, but I don't know if that's the right thing. It was just, it was this really weird vibe. I mean, everyone walking in after the show, I mean, everyone singing songs. And if you've never been to England and seen a band or gone to a sporting event, like nobody sings like the English people. I mean, they will sing all day long if they've had a couple beers in them. And ⁓ it was just, mean, Liam didn't even need to sing.
Jason Ziolo
Ha ha!
Chris
The crowd was singing every single note of every single song. was crazy. And we were right there in the front. So it was awesome.
Steve
I'm not.
Reed
That's fantastic.
Jason Ziolo
Those are the best shows.
Dave
Wow.
Jason Ziolo
All we got five artists left. Let's get through these. And a lot of them are not rock. So let's go non-rock. Okay. Next one, 2026 first nomination. Uh-oh, someone's sharing something.
Chris
Dave?
Jason Ziolo
What's going on here?
Steve
What the fuck?
Dave
Technotronic!
Chris
Were they nominated?
Reed
Pump up
the... Did they get nominated finally?
Jason Ziolo
No, it's not Technotronic, dude.
Reed
Alright, never mind then.
Steve
CMC Music
Factory, baby! Pop up jam!
Reed
Never mind then. No, that was Technotronic, Steve! Get the
Dave
⁓ yes! It
was Technotronic though.
Steve
What?
Parker
Hahaha!
Dave
Air pump up the jams,
Reed
I just totally
Dave
Technotronic!
Reed
threw you off.
Jason Ziolo
Reid's taking over the podcast. Next artist, 2026 first nomination, R &B hip hop neo soul. I don't know what that means. This person sits at a rare intersection of hip hop soul and reggae. Her solo album essentially invented neo soul as a genre and remains one of the most critically revered records ever made. 1993, she played with a band.
Dave
Hahaha
Reed
This is like.
Jason Ziolo
And in 1998, she went solo. The biggest shoe-in for a nomination, according to the research I did, this is the person that is like a shoe-in.
Reed
Lauren Hill.
Erika Bidu.
Jason Ziolo
Close.
Steve
Lauren Hill.
Dave
Lauren Hill.
Jason Ziolo
Lauryn Hill is the correct answer.
Steve
Yeah. No he didn't. No he didn't.
Reed
I that first!
Jason Ziolo
I didn't hear it.
Reed
This is all recorded, people. I said, Lauryn Hill, and then nobody said anything, so I want Erika by Doom.
Dave
True. We feel like it's in the tape.
Chris
Yeah, I heard someone say it.
Parker
It doesn't count if Jason doesn't hear it though.
Dave
That was
the only name that I saw on the headline of ⁓ Rock and Roll Hall Fame Nominees. It was like, Lauren Hill and a bunch of other things. Like, okay, yeah.
Reed
Lauren Hill,
Jason Ziolo
All
right.
Reed
talk about difficult to work.
Dave
I've heard that.
Parker
No.
Jason Ziolo
Does she have a reputation?
Reed
man. Brutal. Brutal. By the way, Erica, you can come on the podcast. can talk about it. Anytime. well, yeah, her too. Her too. That's fine. Yeah. Both of them.
Dave
Yes.
You
Jason Ziolo
Anytime.
But we're talking about Lauryn Hill.
Parker
I don't
Steve
Thank
Dave
I'm gonna have to wait for a while.
Chris
Ha
Jason Ziolo
Did you know she was the first hip hop album to win a Grammy for album of the year ever in 1999?
Steve
Really? With the refugees
Dave
Wow. Wow.
Chris
I believe it,
Steve
or solo?
Jason Ziolo
Ummm, the Miseducation of Lauryn Hillet was her solo album.
Chris
Yeah, she's like swept the awards that year. It was insane. Remember that.
Jason Ziolo
Really? I've never listened.
Reed
Yeah,
Dave
and
that is ⁓ pretty groundbreaking.
Reed
that thing is a banger, yeah.
Jason Ziolo
All right, this is the last rock band on the list and we got four left. This is one of my personal favorite bands. They're absolutely a rock band, but they are not like a hard rock metal band. 2026 first nomination, New Wave Post-Punk Rock. Post-Punk, that's little question for me. An Australian band who fused rock.
Dave
Who's next?
Jason Ziolo
funk and new wave into a sleek, danceable sound that ruled late 80s arenas globally. I'm not going to tell you the lead singer's name because it'll give away. The lead singer's charisma made them one of the heirs to Finding Live Axe. They recorded from 1980 through 1997.
Reed
So not the architects.
This is a Depeche Mode.
Dave
Tears or
fears? Hmm.
Jason Ziolo
Close.
Chris
Yeah, really close, guys.
Jason Ziolo
The lead singer really liked pleasuring himself a little too much. And in excess is the right answer.
Dave
In excess?
Steve
Mmm.
Chris
You want to finish that reference, Jason?
Jason Ziolo
Great. Have you seen how to
listen to NXS? It is really good stuff. Their live album is amazing.
Steve
Yeah, I actually...
⁓
Parker
I would like to hear the
rest of that story, Jason.
Jason Ziolo
Well, no, the lead singer, Michael Hutchins, like he was, how do I say this, in a neutral way, he was masturbating. And he put a belt around his neck and he didn't live to see the next 15 minutes. Let's just put it that way, unfortunately. And it's really sad. He fixated himself on pleasuring himself. Yes.
Parker
I'm
Steve
He effectuated himself while masturbating.
Chris
I think that's called auto erotic asphyxiation.
Reed
What a way to go.
Dave
Yes.
Steve
Huh.
Jason Ziolo
exactly
what Chris just said. Okay.
Steve
Good job, Chris.
Chris
Is that right Dave?
Reed
Great job. Look at the big brain
Dave
Another point.
Reed
on Chris.
Chris
Did I get that right? Okay
Dave
That is 100 % right on the nose. I'm impressed.
Jason Ziolo
You did, very smart. You're well read, Chris.
Steve
Yeah
Jason Ziolo
The next one I know nothing about, zero about, like is the first, I've heard this all artists, but I know nothing about them. They were nominated in 2024 and nominated in 2026. Genre, sophisticated pop. Sophisticated pop, okay. Soul jazz and quiet storm R &B. This person occupies a genre almost entirely of her own creation, a cool jazz-inflected cinematic form of soul that defies EDZ categorization.
Dave
No, that's not a thing.
Jason Ziolo
Her influences ranges from artists from Drake to Adele to Frank Ocean. Yeah, you're next. They're not gonna guess this. Do it. Not. And Sleep Token is the right answer.
Dave
I got it. Sleep token.
Parker
Yeah.
man, that is... that's funny.
Dave
They've been
so big that they don't have to do the 25 year thing. They can just get in right now. They fast tracked it.
Jason Ziolo
The artist is Shade. S-A-D, I thought it was Sade or Sade, but it's pronounced Shade. I don't know.
Reed
Shadda, yeah. Shadda.
Chris
Shade. Shade.
Dave
Bye, guys.
Reed
You had a 50-50
shot and you blew it.
Chris
Yes. Come on, Jason. Do some research.
Jason Ziolo
What did I do?
Reed
Chad Day, come on, man.
Jason Ziolo
Shaday?
It's Shaday, not Shaday.
Chris
Yeah,
Steve
Good shot!
Chris
I promise you it's Sade.
Reed
Not shady.
Dave
I
think he's French, Canadian.
Jason Ziolo
shade, okay, well you guys clearly
know more about shade than I do what is this?
Steve
You need to listen
to more music, Jason.
Reed
I know, right?
Jason Ziolo
I do.
Chris
Yeah, smooth operator
by your side. Come on, Jason.
Jason Ziolo
Smooth operator? That shot? Okay, I know that song. You're a smooth operator. Okay.
Reed
Smooth operator.
Steve
Smooth operator.
Chris
yeah, yeah.
There we are,
Reed
That's
a jam.
Chris
You know, you know Sade, Jason. Come on.
Jason Ziolo
I Sha- but I pronounce it Shade-ay, so cool. I actually googled how to pronounce it and I came up with Shade-ay and- God damn it.
Dave
Best moment of the podcast tonight.
Steve
day.
Reed
This
Steve
I knew you'd
Chris
Softy, softy ages.
Reed
Unbelievable. Unbelievable. You're getting a cease
and desist from Shady's Records over there.
Jason Ziolo
you
Dave
the four beers deepest podcast gold.
Jason Ziolo
Keep going.
Reed
It's awesome.
Jason Ziolo
Next one, I've seen this artist twice live, once at Wrigley Field. One of my life's favorite bands, artists. Pop, punk, punk, come on, really? Pop, punk, punk, pop, and arena rock. I don't call this rock at all. This is straight up pop. This person broke the mold of early 2000s pop, started by fusing R &B.
Reed
Wait, you saw this with your wife and your daughter?
Parker
So...
Steve
I know it. It's pink.
Parker
It's pink. It's pink.
Reed
It's pink. It's
That was too easy. Hey, whatever, dude. She is a badass. Throw her in. You toss her into the hall. Yeah.
Steve
Yeah.
She's fun.
Dave
Yep, I put her in a Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. She is. Mm-hmm.
Jason Ziolo
He is a man.
Dave
I feel like anybody in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame has to have some rebelliousness to them. They push back against the norms, and Pink totally does that.
Jason Ziolo
She was in the news today.
Reed
Yes.
Chris
Yep. Yep,
100%.
Steve
And that's
why she's classified as a little bit of punk. Right? Right? Yes.
Reed
Yeah, that's fine. That's fair. Look at her
Dave
You're probably right. Mm-hmm.
Reed
hair.
Dave
I like that.
Jason Ziolo
That is
fair and she writes all her own tunes. She does not use an artist or a songwriter. She writes it all herself, which gives me immense respect for
Dave
like.
100%.
Steve
She's going on the playlist this week.
Dave
Mm-hmm. You out read. Later.
Reed
Yeah, I gotta
go.
Jason Ziolo
Reed's gotta go! See you Reed! Don't do that shit.
Parker
Yeah.
Reed
Pump up the jams.
Steve
⁓ up the jam.
Jason Ziolo
Reed, we got
two more. You can't stay around for two more.
Reed
I'm leaving in exactly 30 seconds. Go. Hit me.
Jason Ziolo
This one's
made for you, okay? First nomination, I saw him at Riot Fest a couple years ago. Hip Hop Hardcore Rap. This band essentially rewrote hip hop's rule book with their 1993 debut. A sprawling collective of MCs, each with distinct styles, they combine New York street work. What?
Steve
So I know this.
Reed
Cypress Hill?
Wu-Tang Clan?
Steve
Woo!
Parker
the
Steve
Woo tank, bitch!
Parker
Wu-Tang for sure.
Dave
Yeah.
Jason Ziolo
Wu-Tang
Reed
Dude,
that guy just died, man. That's so sad.
Jason Ziolo
club. One of the Wu-Tang guys was there.
Parker
Me- Me- You said that they- they were at Riot as a rapper?
That's gotta be the only people that have ever been to Riot Fest as a rapper.
Reed
Wu-
Wu-Tang Clang it muthafucka with.
Steve
Yeah.
Ain't none in the fuck way.
Jason Ziolo
Okay, I wrote the last one. I left this one because this is probably my favorite artist on the list. This is an artist that was introduced to me through my old guitar teacher 10 years ago who is like, this is an album that inspired me more than anything. This artist is the first time they've been nominated. They only have one album.
Dave
I'm just dying.
Reed
How is that? You can't be nominated with
Steve
But they've been together for
25 years, how is that possi- Alright.
Jason Ziolo
It's a solo artist. This person
is a genre-defining singer, but he rock, jazz, classical and soul. The range and emotional intensity placed him in a category entirely his own. He released a live album and one album called Grace. And if you have never listened to Grace, his cover of Hallelujah gives you all the feels. It's amazing. Anyone know this band? Dave, I'm expecting you to know, because he's kind of a rock god here.
Dave
feel like I should know this, it's not coming to me.
Jason Ziolo
He released one album in 1997.
Reed
Wait, are you being serious?
Steve
Chris, you don't have to raise your hand, dude. Just blurt it out. What the fuck?
Chris
you
Jason Ziolo
He died at age 30 and
he left the post-humous second album that he never finished.
Nobody?
Chris
You guys don't know this one?
Reed
No idea.
No.
Dave
I'll know it when I hear it, but I can't think of it. I'm not thinking of the right name right now.
Reed
I'm not gonna know it when I hear it.
Jason Ziolo
Chris, give it to us.
Chris
Jeff Buckley.
Jason Ziolo
That is correct. Jeff Bum.
Dave
Wow.
Reed
⁓ I do know
Jeff Buckley. he's dead?
Jason Ziolo
So for everyone
listening to this podcast, your homework is to go listen to the Jeff Buckley album. I guarantee you it's one of the best albums you've ever heard. Just the wrong, I remember falling asleep at night listening to this album. we went on a train trip with your family where we went from Chicago to Pennsylvania on a train. And you yacked in the toilet the whole night because we drank the train out of booze. And I distinctly remember, because Reed's my brother-in-law,
Reed
Yes, we did.
Steve
Yes,
yes we will.
Jason Ziolo
I distinctly
remember putting on my headphones and listening to that Jeff Buckley album while you were puking in the toilet.
Steve
I need beers. Can get me a beer, please?
Reed
while I was puking. It's
amazing. It's amazing. Bye guys.
Steve
I need more beer.
Chris
Now Jason, I will
say as another big fan of Jeff Buckley, he does have a second album that technically wasn't finished. I think there's like, so it's a two disc album. One of the discs was essentially finished. I mean, it was close enough where they could actually put proper songs on the album. And then the second was, I think,
I think it was mostly finished, I Chris Cornell had some say in like the mixing in the composition and you know, kind of, you know, sorting out the verses and the choruses and when they're going to be. But anyhow, I actually liked that album a little more than I liked the first album, believe it or not. So yeah, it's really good. Yeah, definitely check it out.
Steve
Thank you.
Jason Ziolo
No kidding, I've never listened to that album.
That version of hallelujah he has on the first album is incredible to me. It blows my brain whenever I hear it.
Dave
Is the album of grace?
Chris
Yeah, no, it's a great song. I will say though, I almost hate that people discovered that song because now it's almost everywhere. I mean, you see it in like kids movies, you everyone on American Idol does it. It's, it's, I don't know, I almost feel like a gatekeeper saying this, but you know, it was cool when you were the only one that knew about it in the 90s and the early 2000s. Yes. Yes.
Jason Ziolo
When we knew about it, not everyone else did, yeah.
Dave
Is grace the name of the record?
Jason Ziolo
Yes.
Chris
Yeah.
Steve
feel like we gotta add every person that we talked about on the playlist today and the playlist is gonna be like enormous this week. Right? I mean, I'm excited to listen to Jeff Buckley-Grace. I haven't listened to it. So I'm excited.
Jason Ziolo
That for me is like a street win.
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Yeah, you're going to be blown away by it, I guarantee it.
Cool. Well, guys, we were gonna do a hmm, I guess I'm a fan now, but we're way over our time limit. So Dave, we're gonna have you wait for next week to do that. And we're gonna call on the podcast at this point because we've gone over a lot of time.
Steve
excited for that.
Dave
We'll save for next time.
Jason Ziolo
Cheers everybody, have a great week and next week, Our Lady Peace and Bad Omens is coming to Chicago and I'm hoping to go to both of them. So I'll report back.
Dave
Awesome night, fellas.
Steve
Good luck ⁓