Our New Format Premieres!

S2E2 - FInal v2
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Jason Ziolo: Okay I don't know, this could be a complete cluster. Fuck, this could be awesome. I have a feeling it will be awesome.. So let's go.
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Dot com. Without further ado, here's your host, Jason.
Jason Ziolo: Hey guys, welcome to Rock Fan Radio. This is our new format that we're trying out.
If you caught our last real quick three minute episode I got a couple friends here and we are going to talk music. I guess to start, let's go around the [00:01:00] room here. We're all sitting on Zoom. Our background here is we have a text group that where we send texts like probably 10 to 20 texts a day, talking about new releases, albums, what's going on, stupid stuff.
Sometimes other topics come out. And as I looked into rebooting Rock Fan Radio, I thought it'd be a lot of fun to get you guys involved. Instead of everyone hearing my opinion about a music, about music, we can all hear about everybody's opinion. And so we're
Rkonnerth: Your opinion's usually wrong.
Jason Ziolo: what's that?
Rkonnerth: Your opinion's usually wrong, so this is beneficial.
Jason Ziolo: Oh yeah. And now we have 500 times more snark. I guess we'll go around the room, we'll introduce each other and then we're all gonna take a topic. None of us know what topics we have all brought to the group, but we all have one topic we wanna talk about and we're just gonna discuss and see where it goes. So you guys know me. I'll leave my intro for the last next to me in my video here. Oh, and by the way, we're on video now. So if you're listening to this on Spotify, which is how you would've [00:02:00] listened to this last season I'm looking at getting us on some bigger platforms now. Since we don't have music, that means we can use the all the popular podcast platforms and this'll be on YouTube with video.
And I even noticed on Spotify, we'll show you the video as well now too, which is pretty cool. You don't need the video. We're not very attractive. Read's attractive, but the rest of us are not. Steve is definitely attractive. You guys know Steve from last season too. So we we got drunk on the microphone. It was fun.
Rkonnerth: Isn't that, isn't it? Steve's problem too. The reason you got banned from Spotify for that 30 minutes or whatever
Steve: no,
Jason Ziolo: get banned. We, the only time we got banned last season is when I had Elliot took I an acoustic guitar and played, wish you were here and they blocked it and wouldn't let us do
Rkonnerth: you got copyrighted.
Jason Ziolo: on
Rkonnerth: Oh,
Jason Ziolo: from him, him singing and playing on his own guitar, which is crazy.
Rkonnerth: that's gotta feel good though, getting copyrighted by Spotify.
Jason Ziolo: I [00:03:00] read the other day about how it works on YouTube, I guess when the AI picks up a some music that is copyrighted, it actually builds, like it makes like a copyright request and sends it to. The artist that you are ripping off and they go by from what I read, and this doesn't seem right to me, but they go through one by one and they'll actually say, that one's okay.
That one's not okay. This one's okay. This one's not okay. Have you
Steve: Bullshit. No way. They're not doing that every
Jason Ziolo: doing
Rkonnerth: No,
Jason Ziolo: all day every day?
Steve: day?
Jason Ziolo: They got people for it, but I wonder if it's some bands just don't give a shit and so they put it out there and just they stay, they let everyone go and some don't. Like I know Prince really gets hung up hard about it and doesn't let anyone put anything out there
Rkonnerth: he is dead.
Dave Cravotta: yeah,
Jason Ziolo: well, which is, but before he was, when he was alive,
Dave Cravotta: him. We'll dig him up and ask him, Hey, dead Prince. What do you think? Can we do acoustic covers terribly of your songs?
Rkonnerth: Hey, Roger.
Jason Ziolo: sing Purple Rain for us, and [00:04:00] we'll see if it gets blocked.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Hey, Roger Waters you're an ass saying I wish you were here. Block that. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah,
Dave Cravotta: That sounded like Incubus,
Rkonnerth: you did sound like a
Dave Cravotta: I was like, is this Incubus? Wish you were here? Or Pink
Rkonnerth: nah, nah that's the trap. I'm trying to throw off the AI agents. See what I'm saying?
Dave Cravotta: See, you're the, you're right. Hit your way up here, Reid.
Rkonnerth: Ooh, man.
Dave Cravotta: out down
Rkonnerth: start. Can we edit this out?
Jason Ziolo: No, it's staying in. Dave, go first. Introduce yourself. Tell us who you are, your background, your age. 'cause it matters when we're talking music and we're an older group of guys. We're not a bunch of 20 somethings, the 20 something that's supposed to be here. AJ it just no showed us so fuck that guy and we'll rip on him next time. Go ahead. Go ahead.
Dave Cravotta: yes. thank you. I'm Dave. I'm originally from upstate New York. Born and raised there. That's when I started getting into music, started playing guitar when I was 12. I saw slash get up on piano for November, rain and play guitar. And I was like, yeah, I wanna do [00:05:00] that.
Jason Ziolo: Wait. What year did you see you? Did you see Guns N Roses in the nineties?
Dave Cravotta: I never saw them in person
Jason Ziolo: Oh, okay.
Dave Cravotta: they were in Indianapolis a couple years ago.
So I never saw 'em as a kid. No, I didn't really start going to shows until I was probably 16. 'cause I moved down to Nashville, Tennessee when I was in high school and all my friends there and it's Music City, USA, so we ended up going to tons of local shows and would go see other bands we were interested in.
First big show I went to was Tool in Atlanta, which is, it's pretty high bar. I'm 46 live in the Indianapolis area now. I know Jason through Reed's sister who swam with my wife when they were in high school. There you go. So yes, I as you can see I still play. But it's much more casual now and yeah, happy to be here.
Thanks for doing this.
Jason Ziolo: Sweet. Reid, go for it, man.
Rkonnerth: Are you able to play those even though they're stuck on the wall behind you, or, it makes it a little harder, doesn't it?
Jason Ziolo: Trying to hooks dummy. They come right down. [00:06:00]
Rkonnerth: Sounds like too much work.
Jason Ziolo: Reid,
Rkonnerth: Hey, everybody I'm Reid. I've grown up a lifelong music fan and unlike some of these other jamoke that are on here, I actually listen to all music. I'm a little bit more cultured than these guys that are obsessed with only one genre. My first concert ever was Aerosmith, back in 1998 at the Cleveland Coliseum.
It was the first time I saw somebody do cocaine, and I knew right then and there that I loved rock and roll. Now I live in Chicago mid forties. Life is well past. It's all over from here.
Jason Ziolo: And I'm married to your sister, which is how we know each other.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. And I had a crush on Dave's now wife back in high school. It, it all comes full circle.
Dave Cravotta: Look at that.
Steve: my God.
Jason Ziolo: That's fucking great. All right, Steve, you're up. Alright.
Steve: All right. Steve here. I really got into music when I was a [00:07:00] kid, probably seven or eight when my uncles introduced me to Metallica and fricking. Mega Death and Pantera I was listened to back then. My first show ever was rock Stock 98 at the
Jason Ziolo: Theater
Steve: Theater,
Jason Ziolo: now,
Steve: now,
was it Tinley Park?
Rkonnerth: C Credit.
Steve: name now?
Rkonnerth: one Amate. I think right now,
Jason Ziolo: I think they changed it
Rkonnerth: no.
Jason Ziolo: It'll always be the world.
Steve: were the headliners were Faith No More and Magda.
Dave Cravotta: Oh,
Steve: Yeah. And then, it was a festival. So that was my first exposure to the r scene and actually seeing a show. But I've been to multiple festivals. I've been to I don't play myself. Jason actually tried to give me lessons
Jason Ziolo: I did give you lessons.
A couple of them.
Steve: yeah, I've actually I thought I was picking it up pretty well, but I, yeah, I just. I got a ear for it, but I'm [00:08:00] not the best player. I continue to go to shows these, to this day. I think
My last show for
Rkonnerth: as long as they're not on the weekday.
Steve: yeah I am in my mid ear early forties
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
Steve: Weekdays,
Jason Ziolo: Our school nights.
Steve: nights. Reed,
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: they're
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. You're a
Rkonnerth: Yep.
Jason Ziolo: Steve.
Steve: take the day off if I want to go see a show the next day. So I try to steer clear of those. But glad to be here. I hope we have some fun with this.
Jason Ziolo: Sweet. Chris, what's, you're up.
chris: All right hey, good to meet you guys. Finally. I've never met any of you other than Jason in person, and yeah, funny story. Here in Houston not in the Midwest. Never lived outside of Houston, but I met Jason's wife. Her and my wife were at a conference
Rkonnerth: horrible.
Jason Ziolo: my, my wife is like the glue for all you idiots. God, this is not good.
Dave Cravotta: guest.
Jason Ziolo: I invited her tonight. She's hell no, I'm not coming.
Dave Cravotta: Oh, I'm texting her right [00:09:00] now.
chris: So
Dave Cravotta: Connor, get on there. Sorry, Chris. Yes.
chris: we got on topic of music and I let her know, oh yeah, one of my favorite bands is local h as Jason knows. That happened and then the next time there was a conference or what have you she was like, Hey Chris, you gotta come. Jason's gonna be there. We ended up meeting and, we ended up making out that night.
What can I say?
Jason Ziolo: You are the best. You are the best cuddler, Chris. Yeah. Yeah.
Steve: Oh
Jason Ziolo: I
Steve: I, How the hell am I linked to you guys?
Rkonnerth: Alcohol, Steve.
Jason Ziolo: linked through music, Steve.
because I used to play in a band with your wife's best friend, one of her best friends. Oh, that's great.
Steve: right. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah,
Steve: Yeah,
Jason Ziolo: right. You played in a band with Eric
Steve: Eric for a
Jason Ziolo: and
Steve: and we went, and I remember
Jason Ziolo: I.
Steve: first night I. met you. It was at Dirty Nelly's. I bought a fucking shirt off
Jason Ziolo: Really? Oh, you were So you were there seeing my band
Steve: I bought a
Jason Ziolo: off you. Yeah, [00:10:00]
Steve: Yeah, I bought the shirt
Jason Ziolo: you,
Steve: you guys had made. I still have it. I think I still have it.
Dave Cravotta: Oh, you gotta rock that next time for sure. Oh
Jason Ziolo: that was a good
Steve: I'll have to find it. I don't know it. It's a tall last to find that thing. That was what?
Jason Ziolo: 15 years ago.
Steve: ago?
Jason Ziolo: than that. It probably was like 2008, 2009. Yeah, you're right
Steve: right
Jason Ziolo: Justin. I would've still been dating at the time,
Steve: that time, so
Jason Ziolo: yeah, it was a
Steve: it.
Jason Ziolo: while ago. Cool, man. Ah you guys know me. I'm Jason. I am the host here. I don't know if I've ever given you my background. I actually I live about 45 minutes outside of Chicago.
Used to call this a Chicago podcast, but we're gonna have to change that. Matter of fact, our intro that you guys just heard says Chicago's number one podcast. Now it's Houston and Indies number one podcast too, though we've only been recording for about 10 minutes now. My background music is in my blood.
It always has, whether it was, playing in the band, [00:11:00] the marching band when I was a kid, to learning guitar when I was 15 years old. And I've been in bands ever since, minus a small decade in there where I quit everything. yeah. Music listen to a lot of music, go to a ton of shows.
You guys all on this podcast are like my group of guys. I go to the, I go to shows with Chris and I are going out to six, six New World in a couple weeks here. Actually, it's more like six weeks
Dave Cravotta: vegas, right.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. No, it's more than six weeks. It's not till April. It's January 29th here. Yeah, I've been doing this I play a little everything. I play guitar, I play drums. I like to think I can sing, even though every time I sing in a band, I end up getting replaced. Reid knows Reid's seen a lot of those bands. Yeah, and that's kind of me. Alright, so what we'll do now is, let's actually get into this.
Enough of these stupid intros. I got a topic, I got a saucy one to start with too. And then let's maybe riff on it for a couple minutes and then we'll, move on to the next topic. [00:12:00] Let's talk politics.
Steve: Oh
Dave Cravotta: Coming in hot.
Jason Ziolo: No. No, but no.
Steve: we
Jason Ziolo: Okay. Not really. I was when I'm bored. I've been doing a lot of vibe coding lately and if you guys dunno what vibe coding is, it's I'm a software developer and it's a lot of ask AI to do something. Wait two or three minutes for. It to do it, and then go and review the code and test.
So I've had all this frigging downtime lately of just waiting for my army of robots to finish my code for me. So in the meantime, I've been spending a lot of time on social media, which is really not a good thing for anybody's mental health. But today I found time to get into the Octane Group SiriusXM Octane Group.
And people were talking about the, what their favorite cover was. instead of putting my favorite cover, I thought it would be more fun to just criticize everybody for the bands they put down. And Reid's gonna take over the conversation from here and like the one that, because you're gonna see why. Because the number one people kept posting and I think [00:13:00] these are younger, we're an older, we're like the old guys in the crowd at a rock show. A lot of these guys are 20, somethings probably even younger than that. And maybe they're not as familiar with some of the older bands, the real bands. But anyways, they said that Sound of Silence by Disturbed was one of the best cover songs ever written. Oh my God.
Steve: God.
Dave Cravotta: No.
Steve: awful.
Dave Cravotta: that is youth talking. 'cause there are so many other bands that have made so many other much better covers than that one. It's fine. But I wonder if part of it, if I may just jump in and talk about this, is, was the mo when that came out and what the, like the tenor of the mood of the country was at that time or how, what people were feeling when that came out and it meant something to them in that moment. The moment was more than the song itself.
Rkonnerth: I have a raging migraine just from somebody saying that, that's, I have never, look, front lead singers have this arrogance to them anyways, right? You gotta have some somewhat of an ego to step on there. Yeah. But David Draymond takes the cake. I remember this interview that he was [00:14:00] doing I think it was for Octane, and he was talking about how his voice is, his instrument and his voice is so strong and unique and I'm like, it's not, bro.
Please quit making music. Speaking of Octane, and you guys going out there, by the way, can you believe that Katie Babs and Shannon Guns now live in the same town?
Jason Ziolo: I did not know that
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Katie Babs just moved out there. Sorry, that was a complete pivot. I'm just, something to keep your eye out for when you're out there. Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: because the one woman on Octane Shannon Guns is married to Chad Gray of hell Yeah. And Mud Van.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. And Katie Babs is married to the lead singer of
Jason Ziolo: oh, I knew this at one point. She's married to someone.
Rkonnerth: yeah, the lead singer of that one band. That's pretty good.
Which by the way, doesn't play a lot on Octane. You'd think she'd have more pull for being as attractive as she is.
Dave Cravotta: So [00:15:00] these are both Octane DJs
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: I know. Octane, I don't know the DJs. Okay.
Jason Ziolo: Hate she,
Dave Cravotta: Gray.
Steve: of them.
Dave Cravotta: He's
Rkonnerth: You might want to you, yes. Chegg Ray's the lead singer. Yeah. But you might wanna Google Katie Babs. Just saying Wouldn't hurt. Wouldn't hurt to spend a couple minutes.
Jason Ziolo: she's married to Hayden Tree, who is the, looks like the bass player to crown the Empire,
Rkonnerth: Crown the empire.
Jason Ziolo: which they don't play at. I don't know any Crown, the Empire songs. I know, I've heard them, heard of them before.
Rkonnerth: I totally derailed your question about the best cover song of all time from a rock side
Jason Ziolo: didn't even,
Steve: back to this because I, the fucking sound of silence is a pain point for me, I'm gonna tell you why, because,
Paul Simon is like
Jason Ziolo: one of
Steve: of
Jason Ziolo: my wife's
Steve: favorite artists. Of all time. I bought her tickets to go see him, and he ended the [00:16:00] show with that fucking song,
Rkonnerth: oh,
Jason Ziolo: weird.
Steve: absolutely worst
Rkonnerth: that's
Steve: to a
Dave Cravotta: Oh
Steve: been to.
Rkonnerth: Awful.
Dave Cravotta: yeah,
Rkonnerth: I,
Jason Ziolo: Absolutely.
Steve: down by
Jason Ziolo: By far we
Steve: the worst
Don't
Jason Ziolo: wrong Paul.
Steve: Paul Simon's a great artist.
Jason Ziolo: I like his stuff.
Steve: End
Jason Ziolo: Don't call me out.
Steve: out.
Jason Ziolo: Don't
Rkonnerth: yeah,
Jason Ziolo: with
Steve: with the most
Dave Cravotta: And a
Jason Ziolo: you've ever,
Steve: you've ever,
written.
Rkonnerth: we saw what's, who's, oh man, who's the lead singer of Fleetwood Mac? How do I,
Dave Cravotta: Nicks. Lindsay
Rkonnerth: Nicks? Yeah. So we saw Stevie Nicks at Red Rocks and she closed with Landslide, and I'm like,
Dave Cravotta: Ugh.
Rkonnerth: how do, are you trying to have us pass out on the drive home and die?
Steve: I, I know.
Rkonnerth: this is the most boring closing song of all time.
Jason Ziolo: when what? When we see that show that had to be in the like mid two thousands, mid 2000 tens.
I've,
Rkonnerth: yeah.
Jason Ziolo: I've come to really appreciate Fleetwood
Rkonnerth: I.
Jason Ziolo: 'cause the band I'm playing in is plays a bunch [00:17:00] of Fleetwood Mac songs. So I spent a lot of time playing drums and watching YouTube videos of Stevie Nicks in the seventies.
Rkonnerth: Ooh, those are fun.
Jason Ziolo: crap. I have a major crush on Stevie Nicks in the seventies. That's all said,
Rkonnerth: Pedro Crush. Hey, you know what else is an absolutely horrible cover song is Scatterbrains cover of Taylor Swift's. Look what you made me do. That's currently all over octane.
Jason Ziolo: didn't know that was a Taylor Swift cover.
Rkonnerth: There you go. And it is a horrible cover.
Jason Ziolo: Do you know who Scatterbrain is?
Rkonnerth: Oh, I do. Yes, because he was in a band. He broke off. They threatened to sue him and he basically gave the entire music industry the middle finger and released music when he wasn't allowed to. But I, wow. Who was he on though?
Jason Ziolo: is founded by Brian Berker. is the dude who just got fired from I prevail.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Okay. Yeah,
Jason Ziolo: So
Rkonnerth: and they tried to cease and desist them right from releasing [00:18:00] music and he immediately threw a bunch of songs out there. I
Jason Ziolo: I actually don't know that story. That's interesting. I'm Googling it right now. But yeah, I guess he was the lead singer of I Prevail and they booted him or he left, I don't even know. I'm gonna Google it here. It says the singer left due to health issues. I
dunno, that's
Rkonnerth: mental health issues, like
Jason Ziolo: seem
Rkonnerth: of
Dave Cravotta: Broad.
Jason Ziolo: Here's what automatic red says on Reddick. Officially, it was for health reasons. Brian Berkheimer has Eagle Syndrome, a condition that affects singing and other things.
Rkonnerth: A problem when you're a lead singer.
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: Unofficially. It is rumored that the band got tired of him. He's been open about his mental health issues, but there are also rumors that he isn't the easiest to work with.
Yeah, I can see that.
Rkonnerth: Again, lead Singer syndrome.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. So the new I Prevail songs have has the guitar singing. That's The there's a real heavy song. They just released
Rkonnerth: The actual guitar sings. That is [00:19:00] dope.
Jason Ziolo: Is it? Fuck you. No, it's what's the newer set of songs has the new singer and they're not nearly as good. the
Rkonnerth: I like drag me.
Jason Ziolo: violent
Rkonnerth: it is?
Jason Ziolo: Natures was the first
Rkonnerth: Oh, that's a
Jason Ziolo: with him.
Rkonnerth: great song. Yeah. Where's, this is the first and only time I'll ever wish that Parker were on this. He'd agree with me.
Jason Ziolo: Ah, par you have Park will be on the next one. Ah,
Dave Cravotta: the one that did the vi violent nature, right? That single,
Jason Ziolo: yeah, that's what I just said.
Dave Cravotta: yeah.
Rkonnerth: Hey Dave.
Dave Cravotta: It cut
Jason Ziolo: Welcome to the conversation.
Dave Cravotta: hear that.
Steve: Welcome to the conversation.
Dave Cravotta: froze and I missed it. I didn't realize that's what I missed. Yeah. That song is and they did some other song about rain or something like that, and I just heard the chorus.
I'm like, yeah, I'm
Jason Ziolo: Already. Yeah. It doesn't do much for me. I prevails on that list of bands though. I gotta see. I haven't seen them. And there was a stint last year Matt and my couple, it was actually had to be longer than that two years ago. Matt was on a podcast talking about it last season, [00:20:00] about how the singer of I prevail was sitting behind his drum set.
I actually watched a video of this today and he had a whole setup to make waffles. No fucking
Rkonnerth: Man's gotta eat.
Jason Ziolo: literally mixing batter, cracking
Rkonnerth: That's awesome.
Jason Ziolo: his drum set during rest and cooking
Rkonnerth: That's amazing.
Jason Ziolo: it out to the crowd.
Rkonnerth: I need
Steve: That's a
Rkonnerth: drum waffles in my life. That's speaking of, I prevail and Taylor Swift I prevail also released a cover of Blank Space by Taylor Swift. So they must just really, oh, a hundred percent. How can you not be. But I'm just saying since scatter, since Scatterbrain, he must just have a Taylor Swift thing now that I'm putting this all together, that he was from Vale.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah, he's got a
Rkonnerth: Another.
Jason Ziolo: thing. Obviously Taylor Swift's a
Rkonnerth: Yeah,
Jason Ziolo: like Taylor Swift, but I don't understand why everyone thinks it's so catchy. Reid, your sister loves it I don't fucking get it.
Rkonnerth: it still the greatest concert I've ever been to
Jason Ziolo: Explain that to me.
Dave Cravotta: that. [00:21:00]
Jason Ziolo: that to me. Reid
Rkonnerth: because man, when you show up and there is 80,000 people in a stadium and not a single person is in a bad mood looking to fight drunk off their minds like it is 80,000 people just with good vibes and good intentions. It's just an amazing feeling.
Jason Ziolo: Brooke, your sister said it was. Basically 60,000. That's three-fourths of the 80,000 is my math, right? Yeah, that's right. Si that's three-fourths was just screaming girls at the top of their lungs and it was like, you couldn't hear what Taylor Swift was saying. And it was just miserable.
She said it was
Rkonnerth: She must have had horrible, see,
A minute though. She was in a booth. All right. She wasn't with the people. She was with her. Rich cousin's, husband's, money's fancy. She wasn't one of us.
Jason Ziolo: fair.
Rkonnerth: Okay. She was a corporate sponsor.
Jason Ziolo: Remember what I was gonna say? This was about politics. I'm bringing it all the way back. Okay. So I got ar [00:22:00] I started arguing with this person online about how disturbed as shit, and I don't like disturbed. And then I
Rkonnerth: You were right.
Jason Ziolo: they are terrible people and they are
Rkonnerth: Yep. You're correct.
Jason Ziolo: And
Rkonnerth: A hundred percent.
Jason Ziolo: I've seen 'em more than once and it's just boring as hell. It's all backing tracks. They don't move. And I don't like the music, but I also made the comment, I'm gonna go a little political here, but this is not a political show, but David Draymond, I called him a piece of shit. He signed bombs. He literally went to Israel put his signature on bombs.
Now, I don't know, I actually don't know much about what's going out. There's the lot there. And I'm even gonna try and explain
Steve: some bombs.
Jason Ziolo: What would you go and sign bombs? Hey, I'm proud that this is a weapon of war to go kill somebody.
Rkonnerth: that's right up Steve's alley,
Jason Ziolo: You would, Steve, you would do this. Yeah,
Steve: Yeah,
Jason Ziolo: I would.
Steve: I would.
Jason Ziolo: think it'd be cool shit. Okay. All right. [00:23:00] I would not, and then we got, then I started thinking about is it okay not to like a band because you don't agree with their politics or their lifestyle or stance they have on a certain issue. And I say it's totally okay to cancel a band.
Rkonnerth: guys. Look at him.
Jason Ziolo: That's amazing.
Rkonnerth: If there's, if there isn't a more punchable face in rock music, look at this dude. What is going on with his little chin piercings?
Jason Ziolo: He took the chin thing out recently so he doesn't have 'em anymore. So it's a little, so it's so when you punch him, it won't hurt as much.
Rkonnerth: He looks like a penis.
Jason Ziolo: I remember being at a festival that disturbed us playing that night. I think you were with me, Reed. It was like Rock USAA couple years ago, many years ago, probably like 10 years ago. I remember him walking past us and not even realizing it was him because the dude's three feet tall.
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: You remember?
It's like I looked at him, I'm
Rkonnerth: Yeah. [00:24:00]
Jason Ziolo: and all it's funny. All
Rkonnerth: No, that was like Tinley.
Jason Ziolo: was it at Tenway?
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: All right. Maybe. Yeah.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Where this four foot, two guy walks by walking all hard. What is ru? Oh, that's David Reman. Ooh.
Jason Ziolo: All these lead singers are little guy.
Steve: short
Jason Ziolo: I was just going there. Sully is a
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: It's, that's how
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Sully's a cool dude at least.
Jason Ziolo: God's.
Dave Cravotta: gotta imagine part of the reason we don't like that disturb cover is we don't like David Draymond. don't like Disturbed. those other kids just do.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
Steve: I'm feeling from the group here. That, that's exactly what I was thinking.
Jason Ziolo: Reid, when we went to Rock USA, a couple, I, I remember disturbed headlined it and I'm like, let's stick around, watch a couple songs, and you
Rkonnerth: Oh yeah.
Jason Ziolo: absolutely.
Rkonnerth: so mad at you.
Jason Ziolo: We are leaving right now. We got one song in and went and sat in the [00:25:00] parking lot and drank beer.
Rkonnerth: Yes. And we had so much more fun out there 'cause we could turn the car on and listen to actual music.
Jason Ziolo: right. Fair. All right. That's all the po that's the end of my story. Who wants to go next?
Rkonnerth: Wait, are we going on to Asshole Frontmen, because I got a story about Creed, but who doesn't?
Jason Ziolo: Let's hear
Rkonnerth: But who doesn't have a story about Creed?
Jason Ziolo: I've got a local H story about Creed. 'cause I got a local H story about everything. But go ahead.
Rkonnerth: Hey, is our main objective with this podcast? Like we know we've made it. When you get when you get Scott Lucas to appear on the podcast with us, is that what we're going for here?
Jason Ziolo: It's goes beyond that. It's when we it's what? It's when he comes on and admits that we are right about things and he's wrong about things. So we don't just stop at having him on. We have to like, bring him into this into our opinions
Rkonnerth: There is no way that Scott Lucas likes David Dreman.
Jason Ziolo: of local h.
Rkonnerth: There's no way he likes Dave Draper.
Jason Ziolo: I would believe that's a true statement. Yes.
Rkonnerth: So we're already, I think we're already on the [00:26:00] path to success.
Steve: I can't wait till we have Dave on the show.
Jason Ziolo: Oh yeah.
Steve: that's my
Rkonnerth: Oh yeah. We can all be like David.
Steve: guys will just rip on him and I'll
Jason Ziolo: I feel like the podcast. I feel like the camera will be like way up here and we'll be way down. He'll be way down here talking to the camera.
Rkonnerth: David, tell me about your instrument, your voice.
Jason Ziolo: Alright. Goods. Hear my creed.
Rkonnerth: No, that was just my segue into saying that Scott straps a douche bag too. That's all.
Jason Ziolo: Ah. I like we're sitting here bitching about bands we don't like instead of bands we like. But I don't like Creed. I never liked Creed. No, that's not true. I used to like Creed back in the nineties. And then I saw them live like three or four times and every time it was hot garbage.
Rkonnerth: Dude. Tramonti is an exceptional guitar player though.
Jason Ziolo: guitar player.
Dave Cravotta: he is
Rkonnerth: [00:27:00] Yeah. And once Miles Kennedy joined that crew, like they,
Steve: them live. One band that I wanted to see live.
I enjoyed Creed all throughout high school.
Rkonnerth: Oh yeah.
Jason Ziolo: in middle school, I think,
Steve: own summer my own prison came
Rkonnerth: Prism.
Steve: My own summer. That's
Rkonnerth: That was like at the height of the tribal tattoos and shit. Yeah, dude you could crush out some creed. Everybody's singing and standing there like they were like in their Jesus pose. That was good. Those were good summers.
Dave Cravotta: Never got into Creed.
Jason Ziolo: no.
Dave Cravotta: Altar Bridge was cool. That first record was good, but other than
Rkonnerth: Oh yeah,
chris: Wow.
Dave Cravotta: And if March Armani did some collab and stuff, I would love to hear that, but
chris: you're like the one guy that didn't like Creed, but liked Al Bridge.
Dave Cravotta: yeah. I know. Yeah.
Rkonnerth: that just means he failed up
Dave Cravotta: Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: I saw Creed open up for, I saw all the good bands opened up
for Creed back in the day. [00:28:00] So like I remember going to see fuel and Der opened for Creed, I think Three Doors Down was on that show too. And we left after the first two bands and missed three doors down in Creed. And then I saw only Leaner Open a second time for them.
And Our Lady Peace opened once for 'em too. And Our Lady Peace is one of my favorites.
chris: Yep, I saw that.
Rkonnerth: breaking Ben open for Creed once. That was a good show.
Dave Cravotta: Yep. I've seen, I saw them once. It was I expected more of them. I, they just played through the songs and it was good, but
Jason Ziolo: Wasn't
Dave Cravotta: of variety. It wasn't a, it Wasn't
very remarkable. It was okay. It was just all right for me.
Rkonnerth: You should drink more.
Dave Cravotta: Funny. That's what Chavelle told us to do, which is the worst show I've probably ever seen by a big band, which Jason and I have talked about this, because they're a Chicago band, so I think they are huge up by you guys. But in Indianapolis, I saw them years ago on my birthday, they were kicking off their tour and nobody was really, into it.
They weren't into it. I remember at one point the bass player said [00:29:00] there's a bar back there, so you all should go buy drinks and start to have a good time. And we were like, this, these guys are terrible. It was
Jason Ziolo: really,
Dave Cravotta: show.
Jason Ziolo: I've seen, I.
Rkonnerth: my favorite band man. That hurts.
Dave Cravotta: I had a bunch of their records. I really liked their music.
I would love to see them again. But that show was terrible. Maybe they had a bad night, first night of the tour. Maybe they were just still getting the rust off or something. But I was like, whoof. It was very underwhelming.
Rkonnerth: Shout out to Pete. We would love to have you on the podcast too, buddy.
Dave Cravotta: Yes. Without question.
Jason Ziolo: So we actually have an inn and I'm stealing Parker's Thunder who will be here eventually someday.
Dave Cravotta: Oh yeah,
Jason Ziolo: Parker's yes. Parker's son is good friends with, I don't know the drum. Sam Loeffler from Chave the drummer Parker's son is buddies with Sam's son because Chevelle is from this area. We've we've got an in, we gotta be real nice to Parker.
Steve: That's another
Rkonnerth: Okay.
Steve: love to see. Chevelle and I've never seen them [00:30:00] live. It's one band
I wanna see live. I love
Jason Ziolo: I
Rkonnerth: They are thorough. Awesome. Live except for that one opening night.
Dave Cravotta: on your bucket list? Who's at the top of the bucket list of bands that are still playing that you could still see Who is at like the number one? Maybe a second one if You want to add it, but who's your bucket list of live bands that if everybody was touring right now, that's the one.
I'm not missing
Steve: Corn.
Dave Cravotta: what you got. Oh, corn would be good.
Rkonnerth: You haven't seen corn?
chris: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: I know that's weird, man.
Rkonnerth: How is that possible?
Steve: I don't know.
Jason Ziolo: dunno, I'm a few years younger than you guys, so like, when I started going shows,
Steve: I, it just
Jason Ziolo: happens every time that comes through.
Like
Steve: I'm
Jason Ziolo: I'm doing something
Steve: got something, else
Jason Ziolo: else going on where
Rkonnerth: Or it's on a Thursday?
Steve: or it's on a Thursday and I can't go. I would
Jason Ziolo: I
Steve: take the day off. Like I
Jason Ziolo: oh,
Steve: couple
chris: Would shake a
Steve: to go see corn. Yeah.
But that's the other thing too, like they're always headlining [00:31:00] festivals and things too.
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Yeah.
Steve: see just them, like
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
Steve: a fan of theirs since, the self-titled album came out and no one
Rkonnerth: Wait,
Steve: they were.
Rkonnerth: Steve,
Jason Ziolo: gonna.
Rkonnerth: the fucking show that they just had a year ago that we had those dynamite seats for where? Corn and go Jira co headlight. And why weren't you there?
Steve: I
Dave Cravotta: Tuesday.
Steve: going
chris: Tuesday.
night.
Steve: fucking birthday or something, that I
Rkonnerth: They'll turn the new, they'll have another birthday next year, bro. Like
Steve: Yeah I, it could have been like, I, because I only go to a few shows a year, so I had to be I pick and choose what I wanna spend my money on. I don't, I'm not like Jason where I just go to everything underneath the fucking sun.
Rkonnerth: That's fair.
Steve: I have to be picky and choosy on who I go see.
And if gone
Jason Ziolo: for
Steve: three [00:32:00] days at a Metallica
Jason Ziolo: Show.
Steve: downtown Chicago, that's really like the one hurrah that I have during the summer, unfortunately that's just the way it is.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
Rkonnerth: I think you should find,
Jason Ziolo: that.
Rkonnerth: yeah, I think you could find some time to see corn. They're still out there a fair amount
Steve: yeah.
Jason Ziolo: feel like
Steve: that for me
Like when I
Jason Ziolo: I saw them play
Steve: Woodstock 98 the whole
Jason Ziolo: fucking crowd.
Steve: that, remember that video
Jason Ziolo: Oh, yeah.
Steve: where they're playing Woodstock 98. And they start In,
on that. And the whole crowd is just a huge wave And I was in
Jason Ziolo: In
Steve: I was like, I want to be right there, and I still haven't made it, so that's
Rkonnerth: Till the fire started,
Jason Ziolo: Steve, you've never been to Vegas either, right?
Steve: No and from what I've been told, I would Like,
A lot.
Rkonnerth: you would die [00:33:00] in Vegas and it would be fun.
Steve: I don't know if I'd die, but I probably get in fucking trouble.
Rkonnerth: Is corn at sick New World? Jason,
Jason Ziolo: that's what I'm pulling up right now. That's where I'm going with this. Huh
Dave Cravotta: Oh yeah.
chris: to make a book, a trip. Steve,
Jason Ziolo: Steve, look
Rkonnerth: what's.
Jason Ziolo: man. There it is.
Dave Cravotta: Oh yeah.
Jason Ziolo: Vegas and corn in one shot.
Steve: either.
Dave Cravotta: Yep. I haven't either.
Rkonnerth: That's a fun band.
Steve: It's
Rkonnerth: Where's no arch?
Steve: for me. I'm doing this on my phone.
Rkonnerth: No architects on there. Huh? That's my band. I want to, I gotta see architects. They came into town like last year.
Dave Cravotta: to Indy. They're playing on a Friday,
Rkonnerth: I know.
Dave Cravotta: although they're probably going through Chicago, aren't they?
Rkonnerth: No, they're not. Like they're doing their Europe tour this year. I know.
Dave Cravotta: They
Rkonnerth: I think
Dave Cravotta: and I didn't go.
Rkonnerth: they're playing like incarceration I think too.
Jason Ziolo: They're
'Cause you're pretty close to [00:34:00] Louder than life. Not louder than life. Sonic Tempo Dave?
Dave Cravotta: Yeah, it's a, we're three hours from Columbus. But it's probably in Whatever
Jason Ziolo: Whatever that
Dave Cravotta: is where you can't play shows at a certain time.
Jason Ziolo: means. Yep, exactly.
Dave Cravotta: than life is like the week before or something like that. It's right around there.
Jason Ziolo: That's why you're getting,
Steve: Is gonna be there too, dude, Oh my.
Jason Ziolo: dude, you got bring me the Horizon system. Acid bath I'm not gonna sit here and read it, but Manson remember where you looked? There's great bands.
Steve: Fucking Manson can suck a dick, dude. He let a fucking sour taste in my mouth. And during Rock USA, when we Went up
Jason Ziolo: Went up there. And why is that?
Steve: He
Rkonnerth: did he suck? Like the last time I saw him? Yeah,
Steve: He pushed out and didn't
Rkonnerth: I,
Steve: play because it was dorming
Like
Rkonnerth: I've heard that he's gotten his mojo back now that he is off the drugs though, so I'm actually looking forward to seeing him. Marilyn Manson and Rob Zombie are coming to Tinley Park,
Steve: yeah,
Jason Ziolo: it on a
Steve: Rob [00:35:00]
Jason Ziolo: Zombies coming out with a new album soon? Yeah, so is Manson should be releasing his new album sometime soon. He's been
Rkonnerth: Oh yeah.
Jason Ziolo: off it for the past 12 months.
Steve: really?
Jason Ziolo: really? Yeah.
Steve: to some of that. I haven't listened to any of that, I don't think.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. They're pretty
Rkonnerth: Jason, are you gonna make a special trip during Sick New World to go check out Knocked Loose again? I know how much you love them.
Jason Ziolo: No. No, I'm not. I've seen him too many times already. And every time the whole like screamo, it's half hardcore, half deaf core, real screamy. I just can't get into it. You guys do that screamy stuff more than I do.
Rkonnerth: Dude. Check out the new Poppy record though, man. She took what Knocked Loose was good at and she then added being a female and made it really awesome. Like her new album is awesome.
Jason Ziolo: Is that the, is
Rkonnerth: Shout out to Poppy if you wanna come on the podcast. Sorry,
Poppy.
Jason Ziolo: is that a new record or is that like in the past two years?
Rkonnerth: No. Came out last week.
Jason Ziolo: No. Shit. I gotta check
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: it's her second. She had a new record last year too, right? She has [00:36:00] won
Rkonnerth: She did.
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: The collab She
did with Bad Omens, that Violence Against Nature. I love that song.
Steve: Oh, that
Rkonnerth: good.
Dave Cravotta: good.
Steve: is
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: she did a collab with Knock Loose too, and that one's okay. But I love that Bad Omen song.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Dude, check out. Seriously, her new album is just awesome. So shout out to Poppy Fisher.
Jason Ziolo: at Sick New World two years ago. Because they didn't do it last year. Two poppy came and sang with Knocked Loose and Bad Omens, and she wasn't even on the lineup. She just came into town to sing with the bands as guests.
Rkonnerth: That is awesome,
Jason Ziolo: of the
Rkonnerth: man. She's having a moment the last couple of years, like she's the darling of metal right now, which is good. 'cause
Dave Cravotta: Courtney Laplant. Hold on just a second.
Jason Ziolo: And David
Rkonnerth: that's fair. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: all the, although Courtney might be like Queen Courtney and Poppy can be the darling, I think That's fair.
Rkonnerth: That's fair. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
Rkonnerth: Yeah, those two I,
Dave Cravotta: of, oh, go ahead.
Rkonnerth: no, you go ahead.
Dave Cravotta: Oh, thank you. [00:37:00] When Amy Lee and Laplant and Poppy Did that collab, I can't remember the name of that song now off the top of my head, but I think it won awards.
Didn't they win? a Grammy for that or something?
Rkonnerth: Did it win? I know it was nominated, but metal doesn't ever win anything.
chris: I don't think it won a Grammy. Maybe
Dave Cravotta: Oh,
chris: though.
Dave Cravotta: probably right. Yes.
Rkonnerth: when will the podcast come out though? Is the question like, after he's done editing this, it might have already happened, so I, yes, they won. I,
Dave Cravotta: We'll will it into existence.
chris: three Grammys.
Dave Cravotta: Yeah. That song is killer.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah, what's
Rkonnerth: yeah,
Jason Ziolo: what this tour are with Evanescence Spirit Box, poppy and
Rkonnerth: I,
Jason Ziolo: Twins fucking rule
Rkonnerth: dude, just put me down after that. Just put me down.
Jason Ziolo: Re Reid. We saw Nova Twins Open for grandson.
Rkonnerth: Yes.
Dave Cravotta: Oh,
Rkonnerth: were amazing.
Jason Ziolo: And they're just two women on stage with a band behind them just making noise in a different way [00:38:00] possible with tons of charisma and energy. And then they were on that Bring Me The Horizon song too. I think so.
chris: Yeah, I think
Rkonnerth: Yes,
chris: Jason.
Rkonnerth: yeah.
Dave Cravotta: When
Jason Ziolo: You guys
Dave Cravotta: at Sick New World, didn't baby Metal
Jason Ziolo: come out
Dave Cravotta: and
Jason Ziolo: collab?
Dave Cravotta: Bring Me the Horizon? 'cause they have a song together. I can't remember what it's called.
chris: Yep.
Jason Ziolo: Yes. They came out and they played king something Killer. Dragon Slayer. King Slayer.
Rkonnerth: King Slayer.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: Yep. That's an awesome song.
chris: were like the only two artists that like actually did a collaboration together, even though there were a ton of folks that were there that could have played a song together. Jason that was my biggest disappointment is you didn't see
Dave Cravotta: Yeah,
chris: on and singing a verse or a chorus or whatever here and there.
Rkonnerth: Yeah, you got the opportunity. You should totally take advantage of it.
Dave Cravotta: I think that's one of the most fun things about concerts when they have an unexpected Special
Jason Ziolo: guest.
Dave Cravotta: Come on and do something. Saw John Popper come on with Foo Fighters, and it was incredible. And it doesn't even, I
Jason Ziolo: [00:39:00] Even
Dave Cravotta: it matters much who it is. Just
Jason Ziolo: special.
Dave Cravotta: out there is just added bonus.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
Rkonnerth: You know what? I read it.
Jason Ziolo: saw
Steve: Stones for the
Jason Ziolo: for the first time Cheryl Crow came out
Dave Cravotta: Yes.
Jason Ziolo: guest sang with him.
Steve: was fucking great.
Rkonnerth: That's the one thing that hip hop does so well is just the ability to collab. But it's a lot easier that way because they just can do it at a studio and send it over to get it mixed in. But it makes, that's just one of the cooler aspects of hip hop for sure.
Dave Cravotta: Who
Rkonnerth: Hey, go.
Dave Cravotta: year?
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: Is Haley Williams from Paramore.
Jason Ziolo: She's an everything.
Dave Cravotta: Haley Williams fans? She's amazing. I love Haley. Haley Williams special plug. You're welcome on the show anytime. Artist. Incredible human. She's fantastic.
Rkonnerth: I went to see Paramore at the Chicago Theater by myself because nobody wanted to go see Paramore. So
Dave Cravotta: you.
Rkonnerth: I'm the only dude in a theater of high school girls and their parents, and I'm six foot four by the way, for all of you [00:40:00] out there. So I'm just this tall. At that point, mid thirties, white dude just geeking out over Haley Williams.
Dave Cravotta: she's incredible.
Rkonnerth: I don't regret it.
Dave Cravotta: She grew up in The
Jason Ziolo: The town where I graduated
Dave Cravotta: high school. She's from Franklin, Tennessee. And
Jason Ziolo: think was,
Dave Cravotta: father was into music
Jason Ziolo: and parents
Dave Cravotta: I
Jason Ziolo: were like
Dave Cravotta: Evangelical Christian or she was raised in a
Jason Ziolo: a Christian.
Dave Cravotta: and now She's 180 on that. And it's been like, I think that this can do some negative things for people. So
Jason Ziolo: She's very,
Dave Cravotta: person, willing to speak her mind on things that are important to her sort of thing.
Rkonnerth: She also came out hard after she got married to that one lead singer guy who's a chode and beat her up a bunch and like for strong as a human as Haley Williams is, she still got caught up in all that stuff. So
Dave Cravotta: Yep.
Rkonnerth: yeah, she's got a long history of fucked up stuff.
Jason Ziolo: got like a feud with Morgan Wallen too, right?
Dave Cravotta: Yes, I
Jason Ziolo: talking shit about that one racist country dude. And [00:41:00] Morgan, and I think that's Morgan Wallen she's talking about, right?
Rkonnerth: Did she make love to him in an elevator?
Jason Ziolo: Did she High five A streetlight? Is that the line? I don't know.
Rkonnerth: It's the greatest song going right now.
Jason Ziolo: Why is that song called Making Love to Morgan Wallen? We're talking about Limp Bizkit now.
Dave Cravotta: Oh.
Rkonnerth: I It's gotta just be, 'cause Fred wants the, Morgan Wallen ISS the biggest country act going right now, so I'm assuming he's just using Morgan Wallen as his marketing,
chris: Yeah,
Jason Ziolo: Apol?
Steve: album's actually
Jason Ziolo: actually pretty good.
Steve: Reed. I'm with you. I listen
Jason Ziolo: I
Steve: Not just rock
Jason Ziolo: rock and roll.
Steve: I do enjoy Morgan Wallen every now and then
Rkonnerth: Yeah, absolutely.
Jason Ziolo: So the next logical question is, have you ever made love to Morgan Wallen? And if you
Rkonnerth: Not in an elevator.
Jason Ziolo: like it's homework for the next podcast, we can all come back and share our experience. we can make, we can do that in our snuggle session.
chris: Let's do it. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: All right. That was Creed. What, who's got [00:42:00] something else? I,
Dave Cravotta: That was creepy.
Steve: What,
Jason Ziolo: let's talk that
Steve: it yet?
Jason Ziolo: I have,
Dave Cravotta: A couple singles, couple of the first few releases, but not the whole thing.
Steve: Yeah,
Jason Ziolo: I went,
Steve: I've
Jason Ziolo: gone like two.
Steve: through already. Yeah. I've en I'm
enjoying it.
chris: I'm
Pretty good. I'm probably like most folks, death in the nineties was great, and then in the two. thousands I just felt like they got really cheesy. I think at one time I went back and listened to a bunch of those albums and nothing really grabbed me. And So, yeah. I literally listened to it just because you said it was so great.
Steve the other day. And I was like, actually this is pretty good. I was shocked how good it was. There's some,
Jason Ziolo: yeah.
chris: he, Dave shreds on a few songs. Really good stuff.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
Steve: I mean it, there's, I
Jason Ziolo: I forget what the name of the song is. Obey
Steve: obey
Jason Ziolo: Something.
Steve: Obey
Jason Ziolo: Obey the Call, or Obey
Steve: something,
Jason Ziolo: It's not o, it's not Obey the Shred Is it Because that [00:43:00] shred song annoyed the shit outta me.
Steve: it's not obey to shred the but it's obey something. And I forget the name of it, but. the
Dave Cravotta: Obey the call.
Steve: to that song just lays.
Jason Ziolo: I'm trying to figure out
Rkonnerth: Is it true that?
Jason Ziolo: so we can look at the track listing and I can't seem to figure it out
Dave Cravotta: It's Obey the call.
Steve: Obey
Jason Ziolo: there. It
Rkonnerth: Is it true?
Dave Cravotta: Friedman. Arab Mega Death was peak mega death for me and I
Rkonnerth: Yes.
Dave Cravotta: Dave Mustain is a brilliant songwriter and obviously super prolific, but I just feel
Jason Ziolo: like
Dave Cravotta: when
Jason Ziolo: I
Dave Cravotta: them
Jason Ziolo: last
Dave Cravotta: I had a lot of fun, but I also felt like they were mega death covering mega death songs. It was a
Jason Ziolo: weird vibe.
Dave Cravotta: I still had a great time, but it was like, this is a
Jason Ziolo: A little odd.
Dave Cravotta: Dave Mustain
Rkonnerth: Did I hear? Did I hear Ms. Stain was saying that they're trying to get a tour together with Metallica, or is that just rumor and
Jason Ziolo: just dam stain being dayus stain, right? Making.
Rkonnerth: so wants to be back?
chris: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: he's done after this tour because [00:44:00] he is got, he can't use his hands Well
Jason Ziolo: Throat too. He had,
Steve: So
Jason Ziolo: You can hear it in his voice on this album that
Steve: he's getting up
Jason Ziolo: getting up there in age, and,
Steve: But
Jason Ziolo: but
Steve: man, honestly, it, I
Jason Ziolo: I know that just dystopia,
Steve: they
Jason Ziolo: got like
Steve: reviews
Jason Ziolo: on it.
Steve: You
Jason Ziolo: You guys can look it up right now. Him and
Steve: Wallen are
Jason Ziolo: are going for
Steve: a Billboard ballad
Jason Ziolo: number one album right now.
Steve: This
Jason Ziolo: this album's pretty damn good. What makes a Mega Death album good? Because I guess I just don't get it. Like Mega Death, I What's the nineties album, symphony for Destruction. Is that a song or is that an album?
chris: That's the
Dave Cravotta: It's both. Yeah.
chris: Extinction.
Jason Ziolo: the,
Steve: that's personally my
Jason Ziolo: my favorite. Is that everyone's favorite?
Yeah.
Steve: They shred dude. He shreds, that's what it is.
Jason Ziolo: You
Steve: Look at it.
Jason Ziolo: look at it. Was it song number three or something like that?
chris: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
chris: Let there be Shred. Yeah. Jason's got it up right here.
Steve: Four, let there
Jason Ziolo: Let [00:45:00] there be Shred. That's it.
Steve: that says it. All
Jason Ziolo: All right there. I, when I listened to this album the other day, I put it on while I was writing code I got to the Let There Be Shred song and I literally looked at the title and I'm like, of course it's called Let There Be Shut. I was like, it just screamed so cheesy to me that I was like, I can't handle this,
But I
chris: always been cheesy.
Jason Ziolo: That's true.
chris: lyrics, cheesy song titles. But they've, they can play. And there's a few songs on here. Let there be Shred Tipping Point. I remember I, I've listened to it twice at this point, but yeah they definitely exude, like old school Metallica, mega Death, the first couple albums.
There's definitely some thrash on there which
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
chris: a part of Mega Death for a really long time.
Steve: Yeah I,
Jason Ziolo: I feel they went more radio than anything,
On their last couple albums. And
Steve: this one
Jason Ziolo: one is just,
Steve: I love
Jason Ziolo: I love it. I like it a lot.
Steve: Megadeath has a
Jason Ziolo: is a soft spot in my heart. 'cause
Steve: They were headline in the [00:46:00]
Jason Ziolo: in the first show I ever went to,
Steve: And
Jason Ziolo: They were the first show I went to after my mother passed.
I dunno if you remember that, Jason, but you were there. Yep.
Steve: And,
Five
Jason Ziolo: figured
Steve: Punch was lining in that show.
Jason Ziolo: Don't tell anybody that part. Just keep that to yourself. We went to go see Mega Dot
Steve: was leaving
The fucking mega Dad.
Jason Ziolo: and the who opened and the, who opened, not the who from the sixties and seventies. The who like throat singing. Who from like Cambodia, wherever they're from.
Rkonnerth: Oh yeah. HU or whatever.
Jason Ziolo: was cool.
Steve: except
Jason Ziolo: thought they were,
Steve: Finger came on.
Jason Ziolo: I thought that who was lame and they're opening for that that that show you're going to read with Manson and Rob Zombie,
Dave Cravotta: Yep.
Rkonnerth: Great.
Dave Cravotta: But you weren't impressed. You thought they were. I haven't seen them. But you weren't.
Jason Ziolo: wasn't impressed, but we were also like, pretty far in the back and they were the first band out of three. And you weren't quite paying attention at that point. I would see 'em again, but I wouldn't go and see 'em.
Dave Cravotta: Yep.
Jason Ziolo: [00:47:00] Yep. What's the word on the last track of this Mega Death album?
Steve: Nobody.
Jason Ziolo: take us through it about why it's so important for anyone who might not know the history of Mega Death and Metallica.
Steve: Oh, ride the Lightning.
Jason Ziolo: Yep.
Steve: Mustain basically wrote
Jason Ziolo: Metall
Steve: first three
Jason Ziolo: album.
So what albums w got kicked
Steve: kicked outta Metallica, so I
Jason Ziolo: I hopefully
Steve: that,
Jason Ziolo: all know that. Yeah.
Steve: you
Jason Ziolo: But our listeners may not know that, so let's educate them. What three albums did he, was he a part of? He was on No Life Till Leather. Was he was he on? That's, I thought that was the only one.
I didn't know there were two more.
Steve: They kicked them
Kicked
Jason Ziolo: came outta Van when
Steve: when they were
Jason Ziolo: were touring. Kill All. But
Steve: he
Jason Ziolo: he had already written songs that were
Steve: on ride
Jason Ziolo: rise of Lightning and Master Puppets. No kidding. Okay.
Rkonnerth: But they didn't give him writing credit on some of those, right? [00:48:00] Wasn't that the big
Yeah.
Steve: I think
Jason Ziolo: I think they did.
Steve: 'em All. I think they did.
On Kill 'em all. I'm pretty sure they gave him writing
chris: Yeah, he was still in the band for Kill 'em all. And they did give him riding credit on Ride the Lightning, but I know there were some issues with credits when they were gonna do the what was the one you just mentioned, Jason? Was it No Life Till
Jason Ziolo: No life till leather. I just, I only know that 'cause I saw a headline in the past couple days about them fighting about it.
chris: Yeah,
that's what they, yeah, they were gonna release all of these really old tracks on that No Life to leather kind of compilation. And that was the issue is they was like, Hey, I wrote the music for all of this. I wrote the lyrics I should be getting the majority of the songwriting credits. And they were like, yeah, no, like we
Rkonnerth: Yeah
chris: those credits in, in, in our house basically. So
Rkonnerth: you for all the work.
chris: Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Which, if you've ever seen old footage of those guys, Dave Was the leader of the band. Like he was the guy that was [00:49:00] talking in between songs. Like James
Jason Ziolo: he really? I didn't know that.
chris: and he stole his stage presence from Dave. And obviously James is a great front man now, but it's interesting to go back in time. The dude was Dave. But apparently he was an alcoholic. So
Steve: completely agree with Chris. He is you're
Dave
Jason Ziolo: Dave really was
Steve: almost the front
Jason Ziolo: the front man for
Steve: the
Jason Ziolo: the van back in the day. And
Steve: but
Jason Ziolo: but
Steve: he was drinking way
Jason Ziolo: way too fucking,
What I mean?
Steve: And they couldn't put up
Jason Ziolo: put up with him
Steve: when then
Jason Ziolo: and then go figure, James,
Steve: Has the same issue during the Black album or whatever, so you.
know.
chris: yeah, it says a lot when
Rkonnerth: Do you guys,
chris: which is called Alcoholic.
Dave Cravotta: Alica. Yeah,
chris: you out for being an alcoholic, got a problem.
Jason Ziolo: There was a
Dave Cravotta: they
Jason Ziolo: ahead Dave.
Dave Cravotta: yeah. I
Jason Ziolo: I
Dave Cravotta: they wasn't he asleep on a couch and they just basically slapped a bus ticket on his chest and woke him up and [00:50:00] said, Hey, you're done. He. was pretty,
chris: so. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: pretty
Rkonnerth: oh
Steve: pretty I think that's, it. They go
Rkonnerth: that's amazing.
Steve: I think didn't
Jason Ziolo: didn't they go into it on
Steve: some
Jason Ziolo: some kind of monster?
Steve: during that?
Jason Ziolo: They did.
Dave Cravotta: Yes,
Jason Ziolo: they had him in, they had him in therapy. They had James and and Dave like in therapy, I think it was a therapist or a mediator. And and they were in tears talking to each other about how much it affected him. So this really fucked him up.
Dave Cravotta: And there's, we're still talking about it, and it was 45 years ago.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
chris: And Dave is still talking about it too. It's dude,
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
Yep.
chris: album and what's the last song that he does on his last album ever?
Dave Cravotta: It's a Metallica song.
chris: Of course he
Dave Cravotta: Yeah. some deep
To come back to therapy.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
chris: for
Rkonnerth: I have no capabilities of playing any instruments. I don't know how these guys can do it with that much booze in your system. You know what I'm saying? Like John Bonum, they said that the night that Bonum died, the morning they [00:51:00] went out to breakfast and he had basically a full leader of vodka for.
And still one of the greatest drum of all time. Like how are you able to pull your shit together to be able to do that?
chris: Crazy.
Jason Ziolo: Dave, can you, can you play guitar with a couple beers in you?
Dave Cravotta: Oh yeah. I'm better at it. That's what I was gonna say is actually be, to be honest, like you're just more relaxed. You're not as, I don't know, it's not as left brain dominant,
it's just more like, all right, let's just feel it. 'cause you feel better. It's, it takes the edge off it. You lose your inhibitions, all that kind of stuff. But
Rkonnerth: Now to all your kids listening, don't drink
Jason Ziolo: My
Rkonnerth: unless you wanna be an amazing,
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
Rkonnerth: Artist.
Jason Ziolo: Okay, here's the next question. Can you smoke pot and play guitar? No comments?
Dave Cravotta: done that.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: think I've ever done that.
Jason Ziolo: Alright.
Dave Cravotta: probably suck at it.
Jason Ziolo: I can vouch on drums that I can play, I can get a couple beers in me and be pretty good, but the second I get a little weed in me, it's over with. It's completely over. So [00:52:00] my old guitar player used to not, my old guitar teacher back in the day used to tell me that he used to always just smoke a lot so we could write, and it made him way more creative and I, I never understood it. All right. So is the Metallica song any good on this mega death record?
Steve: actually is
Jason Ziolo: is good. It's a little bit slower than what I anticipated. I thought he would've sped it up,
Yeah.
Steve: It, I
Jason Ziolo: I feel like he
Steve: the regular
Jason Ziolo: speed or even slowed it down pace.
Steve: like
Jason Ziolo: Just a,
Steve: I don't
Jason Ziolo: I dunno what your guys' spin,
Steve: but
Jason Ziolo: but
I like it. I like the cover.
Steve: I think
Jason Ziolo: I think you nailed it,
Steve: but yeah,
Jason Ziolo: yeah, it's different
Steve: and I
Jason Ziolo: and I like it. Is it better?
chris: Agreed.
Jason Ziolo: Is it,
chris: been faster, but
Jason Ziolo: is it better or worse than the original sound? Old? did sound old.
Steve: he does
Jason Ziolo: He did, he does sound old on that.
Steve: for sure, because
Rkonnerth: the dude's only 64. Like he's not old.[00:53:00]
Dave Cravotta: Yeah, but he is old.
enough to have changes
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: I'm
Rkonnerth: I.
Dave Cravotta: disclosure, I'm a speech language pathologist. I work with people who have throat cancer, have had throat cancer. I
Jason Ziolo: Okay.
Dave Cravotta: who have voice disorders. You get into your sixties, like that
Jason Ziolo: Retirement age
Dave Cravotta: then you start having some changes to your voice. He probably has good vocal strength, but at the same time, like you, it's really hard to escape. Just the muscles don't quite work as well as they did when we were younger. The chords don't come together as quite as well as they did. I think the
Rkonnerth: Well
Dave Cravotta: he's gonna be done with music is because he can't play as well.
Like his hands don't work as Well
But yeah, his voice, it's taken a beating and he has not been kind to his body over the years.
Rkonnerth: yeah, that's what I was gonna say.
Steve: No, he
Rkonnerth: the drugs and alcohol have an effect on that too
Dave Cravotta: yeah, for
Jason Ziolo: been
chris: in the midst over here. Wow. Dave.
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: I don't, I don't, let's not get carried away,
Jason Ziolo: On
Dave Cravotta: I
Jason Ziolo: No. On a Future podcast. Dave, you were telling me about how you were taking, you were practicing Deep Throat.
Dave Cravotta: Guess.
Jason Ziolo: I,
Steve: Oh
Jason Ziolo: as soon as I, as.
Dave Cravotta: [00:54:00] thought we weren't gonna talk about
Jason Ziolo: As soon as I said it, I heard it. I'm talking like the growling and like the what do you what do the guttural stuff?
Dave Cravotta: Extreme vocals.
Jason Ziolo: Yes.
Dave Cravotta: Yeah. I got, we
Rkonnerth: Lorna Shore shit
Dave Cravotta: so Yes, absolutely. Although his, so on a future cast, what we can do is I can share some of that and kinda explain what's going on. His Will Ramos is doing stuff that nobody else really does. Like the way he contorts his throat is beyond imagination, but
Jason Ziolo: of who's Will Ramos.
Dave Cravotta: Oh, Lorna Showerer. Yeah. Premier Death Metal band. I think it's pretty
Rkonnerth: there. Did you guys, this is gonna be the most random question I probably will ever ask, but did you guys see Will Ramos with this YouTube channel where she does she critiques professional singing and they actually put a thing down his throat and made him do all this weird stuff and just, it was crazy.
Dave Cravotta: so I do those exams though. It's called a video stroboscope, and that's exactly, I'm doing one tomorrow. I can do it to myself. I'll do that actually, [00:55:00] that's what we should do
Jason Ziolo: That is awesome. Yes.
Dave Cravotta: myself and share that and yeah. And it'd be
Rkonnerth: Can't wait.
Dave Cravotta: learn to do some of those guttural noises, but I, yeah.
The stuff that Will Ramos does is, he said he just taught himself to do it in the shower. I can. We can do that. And you can see what's happening. So you can do those, what we'll call like extreme vocals or dirty vocals without hurting your vocal chords at all. In fact, that's how it's supposed to be done. 'cause you're using tissues in your throat that are not your vocal cords. They might be supporting it, but they're not doing the hard, heavy lifting. Yeah.
Rkonnerth: this is a whole podcast episode. All on its own.
Dave Cravotta: a
And everything and
Steve: here.
Rkonnerth: educate us.
Dave Cravotta: I'm
Rkonnerth: Preach it.
Dave Cravotta: my element. Yeah. I would love to do that. Yeah. It's wild.
Jason Ziolo: I'm trying to pull up a picture here of Ramos. Is it.
Ramos or Ramos? I always thought it was Ramos, but who knows?
Dave Cravotta: it might be Ramos, don't
chris: like
Jason Ziolo: So there he is getting his going up. His, it looks like his, do they go up his
Rkonnerth: Yeah,
Jason Ziolo: or his throat for this test?
Rkonnerth: I
Dave Cravotta: they go through your nose. So your nose [00:56:00] is connected to the back of your mouth. So you're, they go through your nose down to the the bottom end of your throat basically. And then they watch the vocal cords move. And what he does with his body is just wild.
And he said he just taught himself to do it, but yes. What she is doing to him, I
do those exams a couple times a week.
Jason Ziolo: Interesting.
Rkonnerth: to yourself.
Dave Cravotta: I
Rkonnerth: Oh, there's the
The woman I was telling you about, the one that's making that cringe face.
Jason Ziolo: I
Rkonnerth: either.
chris: I've seen her too. Yeah.
Rkonnerth: She is, she's awesome. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: am the call center persona of the Department of Education, heard, and maybe I'm making this up, but I heard that am here to share he like actually has, I don't know if mutation is the right word, but he has something different about the anatomy of his throat that allows him to do this that other people can't do, or is that all a bunch hog wash.
Dave Cravotta: It's not anatomical, it's physiological. What he can do with this throw is not what other people can do, but the anatomy is the same as any of us. He [00:57:00] just manipulates it in a way to make these wild sounds that nobody else can quite do like he does. That's I think, what makes him so special, and
Rkonnerth: you want more information,
Jason Ziolo: by Rev
Rkonnerth: if you want more information, make sure you like this video and smash that like button below. All right.
Jason Ziolo: When we, this is definitely, we are definitely doing this and we're gonna do this from Dave's office and he's gonna do this on himself, And. it's gonna be awesome. Matter of fact, we
Rkonnerth: And.
Jason Ziolo: go there and do it on ourselves and see what happens.
Rkonnerth: Oh yeah.
Jason Ziolo: yeah. And Parker used to sing Gutterals for a death metal band.
Again, he's not here, so it'd be interesting to see what he has to say about it too.
Sweet.
Dave Cravotta: For
Jason Ziolo: All right. Who else has got a topic? We got about 10, 15 minutes left.
Dave Cravotta: We, we were, I have one, another one, we were talking about how Dave Mustain didn't get writing credits for the Metallica songs. And something that was interesting to me when we were chatting, I think maybe a week ago or so, is who owns the music in a [00:58:00] band? Does the band own it? Slip not just sold their whole catalog.
And I don't get how all that works, but if you've got, like for instance, Kirk Hammett doesn't have any writing credits on Death Magnetic, wrote the solos, but he doesn't get any writing credits.
Jason Ziolo: Yep.
Dave Cravotta: Who owns it.
Jason Ziolo: What
Dave Cravotta: and what if you've got, I don't know, one guy, like Dave Mustain probably owns everything in Mega Death. But let's say that Mustain wants to put out a, he wants to partner with a political person and he wants to have Symphony of Destruction for this politician, Marty Friedman solos on it and guitar work is on it. Can Freeman say, no, I don't want that. Who gets the call? 'cause Freeman has those writing credits, like who owns the music? Especially as band members
And go. Have at
Rkonnerth: That's, that was one of the biggest things in pop music, right? Just a couple years ago when Shamrock Capital or Lucky Capital or whatever owned Taylor Swift's Masters, and then she.
Jason Ziolo: Swift. Dammit.
Rkonnerth: Hey it's the easiest way to explain it though, right? [00:59:00] Like her masters, as she was becoming the pop icon that she was, were all owned by Big machine records, or no, I'm sorry, by Shamrock Capital, which was a, the owner of the Masters and then Scooter Braun or whatever his name was from big Machine Records came in and bought 'em all and they had complete rights and control over all of her music and, and she's I'm a billionaire, you can't do that.
And she was right. She's a billionaire and they didn't do that, but yeah it's wild.
Jason Ziolo: and rerecord all of her music
Steve: so that.
Rkonnerth: She did,
Dave Cravotta: She
Rkonnerth: yeah. But then she ended up buying back all the masters. Anyways, they cut a deal for
Sell it all back to her. So she ended up owning everything anyways. But people like Prince always owned their own masters. He made all of his own stuff in his own studio when he realized that he didn't want to have the big corporate companies owning.
His music and the direction of where it was gonna go to. But I don't know if your band is just now starting out, right? You're desperate to get a record label deal, I'm assuming the masters are owned by the record label.
Steve: because
Jason Ziolo: [01:00:00] most bands are self-made nowadays because they're, it's all
Steve: shared
Jason Ziolo: online and via,
Steve: Social
Jason Ziolo: media, the,
Steve: it's like
Jason Ziolo: it's like that band
Steve: where it's just like the
Jason Ziolo: Roxy where it's just like the guy
Steve: The drummer in the
Jason Ziolo: in the bass
Steve: just
Jason Ziolo: just jamming out. I found him on a whim, on a,
On a Facebook post.
And
Steve: I feel
Jason Ziolo: I feel like
Steve: The
Jason Ziolo: the bands
Steve: that are coming
Jason Ziolo: that are coming up nowadays
Steve: don't
Jason Ziolo: don't have that, have to worry about the big exposure with the.
Steve: the getting a record. I don't know. What are guys thoughts on that?
Jason Ziolo: I, I think that the, I don't know this, but I'm pretty sure that the record label owns the music. You sign your life away when you sign onto a record label. And then I think it comes down to royalties matters who the songwriter is. So I know like back in the sixties and seventies, these artists used to fight over whose name was in the, [01:01:00] in, on the sleeve of the vinyl record that says, I wrote this one and I wrote this one.
This one was wrote by this person and this person. And if you go look at those old albums, they really get into the individual members that actually contributed it. I don't think anyone really does it as much anymore, I think depending on, if I think Floyd Pink Floyd did this, if it's a Gilmore song or a Roger Waters song, Gilmore might get more of the commissions or royalties than the other person depending on who wrote it. I think it's kinda all hog washed. Personally. I think they should just split it evenly.
chris: Yeah. Yeah. I feel like just as a consumer of music, not being in a band like some of you guys I do know that, just perusing liner notes and albums. I feel like in the nineties is when bands started being like, Hey, we're just gonna all share it equally. You would still have the legacy artists, like the Metallica, they would just have, James and Lars on everything. But yeah, I think things have gotten a little more, I dunno, egalitarian, but yeah, I'm sure there's still some assholes out there that want to, hoard writing credits for themselves. [01:02:00]
Rkonnerth: That's a good question. Do you need a record label
Jason Ziolo: No.
Rkonnerth: to be like huge and successful, or can you not get
Jason Ziolo: no.
Rkonnerth: Yeah, that's,
Dave Cravotta: didn't, he was one of the first, like one of the first artists to make it real big without having a record label.
Rkonnerth: I think of TR Resner right back in the day with Nine Inch Nails. He broke off from his record label and went out independently. But I feel like it's easier today than it would've been back then,
Jason Ziolo: nothing Records was truly independent. That's
Rkonnerth: No.
Jason Ziolo: thing. I think it
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: all these offshoots where like Maverick records, that was Madonna's label, the first rock band. And I think it was a subset of a and r or Epic. And I remember back in the day Maverick Candlebox was the first Maverick rock band ever get signed. That's why they got so big. 'cause they poured so much energy into marketing them. 'cause it was Madonna's label.
Dave Cravotta: No
Rkonnerth: Huh?
Jason Ziolo: They ca
Dave Cravotta: and Far Behind was the Kick Ass song.
chris: you're referring to.
Rkonnerth: Yeah, far behinds. Awesome.
chris: can make an album. Nowadays, recording costs are getting a little bit cheaper and whatnot, but it's the [01:03:00] marketing, like it's hard to blow
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
chris: without that marketing push. It's easier arguably with social media, but it is still hard or more people would do
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: When we pull AJ in for a future podcast, he couldn't make, he's our 20 something. His band is actively trying to be an indie band and it's a two piece and his partner in the two piece is a full blown music producer. And it sounds as good as any label that you guys have all heard it, it sounds as good as any label. I've been over to their studio. I'm actually hanging out with them tomorrow, recording music and it's amazing what you can do with just the laptop and one input these days. It's absolutely insane.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. Yeah, but I guess that's true though. Like it's easy to, not easy, but like the production of it has become easier. There's a less barrier to get the production done, but you still need to have that marketing machine in order to get you from playing at a bar, to playing at United Center,
Jason Ziolo: they've got, they AJ's band, I don't believe has ever played a live show. They're a [01:04:00] studio project. You might kick my ass for saying that, but they're a studio project. But you go look at their Spotify and whatnot there. They're getting a lot of listens. I know?
Octane Jesse Lee puts out a playlist every week, one of the, and they, he put his band on there and they're actively going to do things.
They're marketing themselves and they're doing a big digital push, digital ads and all that to get their the word out there.
Rkonnerth: They should. He sounds amazing.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah, it's
Rkonnerth: That's a, that's good sounding band.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. And
Rkonnerth: Now they just need better eye candy in the lead singer.
Jason Ziolo: for sure.
Rkonnerth: Just kidding. Just kidding. Aj, I love you.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah, so this,
Dave Cravotta: Poppy for a CoLab.
Rkonnerth: Exactly.
Jason Ziolo: This is AJ's band, oia, and
Rkonnerth: That's how you pronounce that.
Jason Ziolo: to that.
They've got, almost a million listens on eternally here. And that is all just organic. Yeah, it is awesome.
Rkonnerth: Jason, let's test the AI turn. Play that right now and see if AJ kicks us off for a [01:05:00] copyright.
Steve: Oh,
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. Let's see. I don't know if I can get audio to come through this. Let's see what happens. Did you guys hear that?
Rkonnerth: Just the background noise.
chris: Here now.
Rkonnerth: I.
Steve: Yeah,
Hear it.
Jason Ziolo: not aj. That's Himalayas, which is what I.
was listening to before this.
Steve: That's his new song that he just sent over the other day, right?
Dave Cravotta: Yeah.
chris: It really good.
Jason Ziolo: We'll save it.
Steve: That song slay.
Jason Ziolo: Yeah, it's pretty cool stuff.
Rkonnerth: I just hope that he starts to get big and then can hang out with Chevelle and that we can get Pete on the podcast
Jason Ziolo: this song eternally, they're about to drop the music video for it. It's gonna be amazing when it comes out. That's all I'm gonna say.
Rkonnerth: you are in it.
Steve: Oh, because you're in
chris: Oh my [01:06:00] God.
Jason Ziolo: Alright. Enough talking about aj. All right, cool, man. Chris got a topic for us. I,
chris: Man you asked us the other day, last show you saw in the next show you're gonna go see.
Jason Ziolo: okay.
chris: I'm really not the best person to start this one off. But last show that I saw, technically I wasn't in person, it was refused their last show ever. Not metal core like you guys are into, but yeah, old school, post punk band and it was great.
It was in their hometown. Then next show, is is Primer 55. A dry January musically for me, and February's not looking much better, but primer 55 is an old, kind of new metal band that got back together after being dormant for, I don't know, 15 years. The singer died and the guitarist almost died.
And anyhow, yeah they're getting back together now. So
Jason Ziolo: That's pretty cool. That's your next show you're going to. [01:07:00]
chris: show. Yep.
Jason Ziolo: So check this out. I'm gonna share this real quick for you guys who are watching video here. This is the ref. This is refused. This is my buddy John who is a who's a photographer for the Salt Shed, the best venue in Chicago. This is a shot he took at the Refuse Show. I was actually here with him, probably the same tour you were at Chris and he got second place photo of the year from the Salt Shed for this picture of the
Rkonnerth: That's awesome. That's awesome.
Jason Ziolo: Good boy. Digital Originals. Yeah, it's pretty rad.
chris: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: And that review show was fricking amazing. There's John right there.
chris: So good.
Jason Ziolo: Cool man. Sweet. I am going to see Bad Flower Next. I'm obsessed with Bad Flower. I got Dave obsessed with bad flower. I, hope, or at least I tried.
Dave Cravotta: I really like that one record. It's so depressing, but So
Jason Ziolo: good.
Dave Cravotta: That X Anna x song, the very first track on that record [01:08:00] is so fantastic. just it's like well produced. It's rocking, it's awesome. And he's so tortured. I love a good tortured artist. Nine Inch Nails might be, we were talking about bucketed art Bucket list artists, nine Inch Nails and Trent Resner might be at the top for me and I
Jason Ziolo: Oh
Dave Cravotta: spirals, one of my favorite records.
It like, tortured Trent Resner is so good.
Rkonnerth: I, I feel bad for sure.
Jason Ziolo: that new Badflower album.
Steve: Isn't
Jason Ziolo: it the one where he's talking about,
Steve: he's
Jason Ziolo: racing
Steve: through
Jason Ziolo: the
Steve: The
Jason Ziolo: the one song where he is talking about racing through the desert. He exit and he goes over the crest of this hill and
The
Steve: ground
Jason Ziolo: basically falls out from underneath him. And
I don't know if he wrecks the bike, but he,
Steve: I
Jason Ziolo: I don't know.
One of
Steve: songs,
Jason Ziolo: the songs I really enjoyed that album. I don't know. I know what you're referring to.
Steve: of it.
Jason Ziolo: Dave, that X Anna X song. It's pronounced Xanax.
Dave Cravotta: It is pronounced Xanax. Okay,
Jason Ziolo: It's a drug, right? Xanax. That's [01:09:00] what the song's about.
Dave Cravotta: and I get that's what the song is about. but I, not spelled, it's got spaces in it, so I thought it was Xan X and that's how he sings it in the
Jason Ziolo: Song.
Dave Cravotta: too. So
Jason Ziolo: it's, just,
Dave Cravotta: new record? Is that No Place like Home?
Jason Ziolo: yes. And that's the opening track on the album, and it's about the Wizard of Oz and it's fucking the best song on the record. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: that out.
Steve: You
Jason Ziolo: And then three
Steve: George.
Jason Ziolo: We have imposters on the phone.
Steve: Oh yeah,
Jason Ziolo: Oh yeah.
Steve: That was
Jason Ziolo: Just upstairs.
Steve: Sorry,
Jason Ziolo: I know you just bought architects tickets. Is that your next show? Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: Yeah. It's not until May, so it's gonna be a little bit, and actually, what I really wanna, I really also want to get tickets to in Flames, death metal ban the night before at the same venue. It's at the Egyptian room at the Old National Center in Indianapolis, which I would submit is the best place to see a show in Indianapolis.
It's just a
Jason Ziolo: Admission.
Dave Cravotta: one stage, like out. [01:10:00]
Jason Ziolo: Yeah. We should come to that
Dave Cravotta: flames yet, dude, that weekend is gonna be, and then I'm going to Banana Ball
Jason Ziolo: on Saturday night.
Dave Cravotta: Savannah
Jason Ziolo: that
Steve: that's
Jason Ziolo: amazing. You're gonna
Dave Cravotta: yeah.
Jason Ziolo: have a great time doing
Steve: I
Jason Ziolo: that. I went to,
Steve: the,
One
Jason Ziolo: up here when they,
Steve: at the,
Jason Ziolo: can you clarify what that is?
Steve: Banana
Jason Ziolo: ball? Yeah.
Steve: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: It's
Steve: basically Harlem Globe
Jason Ziolo: tro
Steve: with baseball.
Jason Ziolo: It's amazing.
Steve: If you
Jason Ziolo: you ever get a chance to
Steve: go
Jason Ziolo: to it,
Steve: you'll
Jason Ziolo: have a blast. The whole family can go like.
Yeah, you took my kids. Oh
Steve: Oh yeah,
Jason Ziolo: I did. I did.
Steve: I took Jason's
Jason Ziolo: kids with
Steve: to the
Jason Ziolo: Banana.
Steve: and we had a riot.
Rkonnerth: If you can get tickets,
Jason Ziolo: that's a Savannah Bananas, right? Yeah. Yeah.
Dave Cravotta: that's, and I think they started as a a minor league baseball team in Savannah and
Jason Ziolo: They were known for doing these
Dave Cravotta: antics and stuff and they got
Jason Ziolo: great
Dave Cravotta: crowd
Jason Ziolo: reaction
Dave Cravotta: and attendance. And then somebody said, Hey,
Jason Ziolo: take on
Dave Cravotta: and then invent this whole new banana ball thing.
And now there are multiple teams. Indie has a team, the Indianapolis [01:11:00] Clowns, and we're gonna see them play the party animals.
Steve: Oh, that's
Rkonnerth: awesome.
Steve: dude.
Dave Cravotta: I'm hoping it's Inflams Architects, banana Ball.
Jason Ziolo: incredible treat. That does sound fun.
Steve: amazing weekend.
Jason Ziolo: Cool. Oh, Dave. Dave broke up. He went to a
Rkonnerth: It was. It was so local. It just,
Jason Ziolo: never heard of his band.
Rkonnerth: the suspense is killing me. What was the show?
Jason Ziolo: on Dave. Come back. If you guys are watching the
Rkonnerth: It was local. What's the show?
Jason Ziolo: place right now. Reid, what's your next show? I,
Rkonnerth: That's S Rocks.
Jason Ziolo: oh, we are going to des Rocks.
aren't we?
Rkonnerth: Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: Oh, he's so fucking good.
Rkonnerth: That's next. Isn't that next month? March, I think.
Dave C: Yep. I got kicked off somehow. Sorry about that.
Rkonnerth: What was the local show? [01:12:00] We were all hanging, waiting on every word you said.
Dave C: tonic ball, which I got confused with Sonic Temple. They are not the same.
Jason Ziolo: We had that conversation. Yeah.
Dave C: ball.
chris: different price points.
Dave C: Oh man. Tonic Ball is a show, a local show in Indianapolis. They have on the Friday before Thanksgiving. They, it's a big fundraiser for this group called, I think it's called Second Helpings, and it's to help feed the homeless.
It's a feeding, homeless kind of initiative. What they do is there
Jason Ziolo: So they do is
Dave C: what they call legacy bands. That all these local bands will play the covers of in these five different venues around a part of Indianapolis called Fountain Square. So one place they were only playing B 52 songs. So all these local bands would cycle through every 20 minutes and they would play B 52 songs. And then
Jason Ziolo: that's awesome.
Dave C: better. There was another one that was all Marvin Gay. was really cool and you could cover you if you had a, you had to play
Jason Ziolo: If you had a had
Dave C: band and [01:13:00] then you could
Jason Ziolo: two cup
Dave C: whatever
Jason Ziolo: that band and you do whatever,
Dave C: We saw a
Jason Ziolo: we original, you saw a van at the Marvin
Dave C: Fleetwood
Jason Ziolo: Venue playing Cleveland back.
Dave C: you want. We we went to Green Day and we hung out there for the night and it was awesome. The very first act we saw were two women on stage. One had violin, one had the acoustic guitar, and they were covering these heavy Green day songs with this americana kind of vibe.
Jason Ziolo: America,
Dave C: were big band versions of their songs. It was a blast. Then the last one where we spent the last hour or so of the night was the Britney Spears bar, where they only covered Britney Spears songs. And it was incredible. It was so much fun.
Jason Ziolo: I look straight to Reid when you say that Closet. Britney fan, along with Taylor Swift.
Dave C: I had a blasted printing and I could give a shit about Britney Spears. It was this great night. I was there with my other guys that we play in a
Jason Ziolo: There with my other guys that playing band together
Dave C: stuff that
Jason Ziolo: with
Dave C: It would be incredible. I'll find
Jason Ziolo: it would be incredible. Out.
Dave C: They release it in the summer, but my guys have already talked about, Hey, we
Jason Ziolo: Guys have already talked about
Dave C: into
Jason Ziolo: we
Dave C: thing.
It's a 20 [01:14:00] minute set. It's three or four
Jason Ziolo: 23 or four.
Dave C: want. So we just want to
Jason Ziolo: Do whatever you want. We
Dave C: backup singers,
Jason Ziolo: singer,
Dave C: swords on stage, pyrotechnics, like just yeah. Yes. Yeah, it'd be so much fun. So that was the last show I went into and
Jason Ziolo: I'll be there
Dave C: Yeah. The invite will go out as I know more.
Rkonnerth: Can you, could you cover dam? I wish I was your lover by Sophie Hawkins, please.
Dave C: I think we could probably slow it down and be real greasy.
Jason Ziolo: real
Rkonnerth: greasy. Yeah.
Jason Ziolo: Steve, what's your next show? Do you got any tickets?
Steve: I don't have any tickets right
Jason Ziolo: God damnit Steve.
Steve: I have tickets on anything. I
Jason Ziolo: I think the last show I went to was local Agent Sign Out.
Steve: you.
Jason Ziolo: That was a great show. There was a lot of fun.
Rkonnerth: They are still so good.
Jason Ziolo: I'm not happy with their new drummer though, just because
Rkonnerth: I,
Jason Ziolo: make a decision and he is sitting in Lao and do they have a new drummer or they don't have a new [01:15:00] drummer and it's pissing me off.
Rkonnerth: Scott,
Steve: I don't know.
Rkonnerth: maybe Scott can come on the podcast and we could talk about it.
Jason Ziolo: very much like that. 'cause when I tried to ask on the bulletin board. Bulletin board is this 1994 on the Facebook group they banned me and kicked me off of the group because I asked about the drummer. So
Rkonnerth: How dare you. You son of a bitch.
Jason Ziolo: Wow.
chris: How many times did you ask about it, Jason? That's the question.
Jason Ziolo: Don't worry about that. No, just once. And I hit up there's a super local H fan, like a super Uber fan, and I know him, Dewey is his name. And I hit up Dewey. I'm like, Dewey, what the fuck? Why'd they kick me off? And he actually got Scotty on the horn and they brought me back in. So I'm okay now.
Rkonnerth: Welcome back.
Jason Ziolo: Big news. I know. Cool.
Rkonnerth: Great.
Jason Ziolo: I think we've gone through our agenda for today.
Rkonnerth: Yeah. And then some
Jason Ziolo: It's been about an hour and a half. We're gonna call it here. And then let's all think about what [01:16:00] we're gonna talk about next week.
Dave C: Yes,
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